Admit it: do you follow midgets?

It happened two months ago on the Diaz-Morales undercard. Archie Solis knocked out Rodel Mayol - the knockout came as Solis was hurt, recovered and made Mayol pay dearly for taking a 1/2 second too long to follow up on his attack.

Giovanni Segura and Hugo Cazares are two junior flyweights who swing for the fences every time they fight. Ditto for guys like Vic Darchinyan and Jorge Arce (though for both, to the point where it's affected their ability to win otherwise). Nonito Donaire can box effectively one night, then in a fight like Vic take you out with a single perfectly placed punch in the next.

 

If one mistake would mean a KO in every heavyweight fight, all these flawed bums would be dead by now.

 

Also, a poor heavyweight fight is a poor heavyweight fight. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind wanting to watch Dominick Guinn over a Giovanni Segura fight if both were made available at the same time. If a person has that mindset, then he/she has a severely limited view on what the sport is all about.

 

The guys now are bigger and stronger than ever, that is why they split victories and apart from Wlad nobody stands out.

 

Or maybe he just sees the sport other way than you? Boxing is one of the very few sports where rules have made it possible for physically weaker men to get any publicity at all. There is no 5'5' series i basketball for example

 

Ill always take a decent hw fight over nearly any kind of midget fight. Putting participant at the same level physical wise is a privilege reserved to athletes performing in fighting sports. Im a very good beach volley ball player but I know I ll never amount to shit (profesionnaly wise) because Im 5 10. Same thing for basket ball, how many player out ther are under 6 feet. Still, theres no midget only league even thought they are some bad ass player who just cant make it becasuse of their height. Another reasons I despise it, is the ridiculous amount of classes down there, some classes are separated by 3 lbs, like if it would make a difference. At the very least, they should cut all the classes below 118, this way maybe some interesting fights would be made.

 

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I heard the same arguments from woman boxing lover, and it both case, it didnt ring true.

 

I really only care from about 122 up.

 

That's a ridiculous comparison. The majority of women boxers don't have an amateur career to speak of, nor do any of its divisions run anywhere near as deep. A female can be a .500 fighter and still rank in or near the Top 10 of a given weight class.

 

I seen plenty of lighter weight fighter fight for a world title without even 10 pro fights, something you pretty much never see in the higher weights (forget Peter Ranestad). Still, as much as I despise woman boxing, some of them can fight, would you rather watch a Dominick Guinn- Zuri Lawrence type of fight or the 2 best female boxers going at it.

 

Ok, so how is that NOT having a limited view on what the sport is all about?

I elect to pass on certain fights based on being familiar enough with the fighter to know that it will most likely be a stinker. If I hear otherwise after the fact, then sure I'll go back and watch it.

Surely you can see the difference between that and dismissing something a sideshow SOLELY based on weight class.

 

I seen plenty of lighter weight fighter fight for a world title without even 10 pro fights, something you pretty much never see in the higher weights (forget Peter Ranestad). Still, my point stand because I wasnt comparing the talent level between woman boxing and lighter weight classes. As much as I despise woman boxing, some of them can fight, would you rather watch a Dominick Guinn- Zuri Lawrence type of fight or the 2 best female boxers p4p going at it.

 

I'd rather watch the two best female fighters go at it.

 

"Dubblechin, meet Donnybrook"

- Jake

 

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To me, it seems the lower weight is were the talent level is the lowest. I remember some people hyping Gabi and to me he looked like a total bum vs Vic. Fana-Klassen-Baloyi,... merry go round produce what is perhaps the most mediocre bunch of champ ever ( I know that they are not that light), they make the WBC 168 champs of a few years ago ( Lucas, Catley, Hilton and Thobela who both could fight like hell but had no business at that weight ) look like pound for pounder. The Ring annual report ( State of the Game ) routinely blast the lower weight class as devoid of talent. I got nothing vs smaller weights and would in fact watch them if the situation wouldnt be so ridiculous. 122-126 should be the lowest ( yes I know I went up from my previous post ) the smaller guy should just beef up and at worst case, just give up a few pounds, the oh so mediocre hw do it constantly, yet when a smaller fighter give up 5lbs to his opponent its used as an excuse :doh: :doh:

 

Spoken by someone who obviously doesn't watch them.

 

How about the Rahman, Maskaev, Peter food chain going on right now in the WBC? Or the Washington, Grant, Mayfield, Williams chain in the IBF?

I mean, I agree that both chains you mention suck pretty hard (although I've always liked Baloyi), but it is irreleveant to this thread. Hell, you even point out that they are not sub-feathers so wtf exactly was your point?

 

If i hear a midget fight is a good one like Quirogoa-Kid Akeem, Carbajal-Gonzalez etc. i'll watch them. I can't really think of a sub bantamweight fight i've ever looked forward to though. So basically i don't follow them, but as a boxing fan naturally i find out about lower weight class matchups simply because it's part of the sport.

 

My wife made a funny observation a few weeks back...

I was watching Jorge Arce's last fight and she was laughing hysterically because:

1). The broadcast was in Spanish and the "onliest" Spanish I speak is what's on the Taco Bell menu.

2). The fighters weren't as tall as the top rope. :: She said it looked like two little kids fighting.

 

REED Wouldn't say he "Follows" the Lower Weights, but REED CAN'T Relate to this Notion of "NOT CARING" about Fighters below a Certain Weight, Either...

When there's a "Diaperweight" Bout on AMERICAN Airwaves, REED'll Usually Watch it...Showtime Does an ADMIRABLE Job of Frequently Showing Lower Weight Fighters...

Manny Pacquiao USED to B a "Diaperweight"...Daniel Ponce-DeLeon (Perhaps Boxing PREMIERE Puncher) is a "Diaperweight"...Rafa Marquez & Israel Vasquez R "Diaperweights" on the Verge of 1 of Boxing's More MEMORABLE Trilogies...

Nonito Donaire's "Diaperweight" KO Over Darchinyan is 1 of the BETTER 1 Punch KO's U'll EVER See...For as LIMITED as he Is, there AIN'T Many Fighters PERIOD w/More Charisma & Charm than Jorge Arce, who's a "Diaperweight"...Name a More TECHNICALLY SOUND Fighter in HISTORY, than "Diaperweight" Ricardo Lopez???...

Again, REED Doesn't Necessarily "Follow" the Lower Weights, but to Flat-Out IGNORE them or their Contributions is Kinda LAZY...



REED

 

So if i hear you correctly, you do not advocate cleansing the planet of sub feather weight fighters by way of death camps?

 

Absolutely spot-on!

 

Nah...they don't eat enough food to be considered a threat.

 

That's a BIT Extreme, WHISKEY...

Eradicating the 3 Lb Differences in Weight Divisions would B More Productive in REED's Opinion...


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I have to play StingerKarl here and suggest Jorge Arce should travel the world and beat up forum members for a living. That would make some people respect these fighters more. Afterall they are dwarfs and surely can´t hurt the average man.

 

Sure, I've always followed the smaller weight classs, although I haven't followed them as much recently. What I can't stand is Midget Worship, when people who really don't know too much about boxing as a whole, pick a couple of jr. lightweights or jr. bantamweights, and run around saying that they're better "pound-for-pound" boxers than Wladimir Klitschko or Bernard Hopkins.

You ask them why Juan Manuel Marquez is a better pound-for-pound fighter than Wladimir Klitschko, and they say, "because he's smaller." :doh:

 

I used to remember undercards featuring Ricardo Lopez.
WTF is minimum-weight???? ::

Cunt looks like something from Auschwitz:

 

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that picture speaks for itself. The weirdo doesn't look very much like a human, let alone a fully grown one, not to mention an athlete