*ahem* The "I NEVER Was Impressed with Mikkel Kessler" Bandwagon...

the kind that thinks Joseph Smith made up serious fairy tales::

 

I've offered no excuses in defense of Kessler, and merely thought his record spoke for itself. Ward turned out to be much better than his record shows. My brother told me Ward had the tools to beat him, and I didn't listen....I didn't listen.

Lets not trash on Kessler's entire record because of one fight. He got his ass kicked, doesn't mean he sucks. The guy I saw fight Calzaghe didn't suck. If you were "Never impressed with Kessler" then you will surely continue to pick against him in this tournament.

 

I've called Kessler a "poor man's Pavlik" before...

he still is

 

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where's your boy hanzy? Do you have contact info or anything?

 

I'll just say this, REED if you've never been impressed with Mikkel Kessler, boxing as a whole must be highly dissapointing for you. He's one of the more accomplished fighters in the sport and has been for a good few years now.

Whether or not that makes him P4P or a star is another thing altogether. The basic facts are that he's been in with a bunch of good quality fighters and before last night, he'd lost more than two/three rounds in any one fight, one single time....to an undefeated, HOF fighter whom he made sweat through one of the toughest nights of his career to earn those rounds.

I dunno what was wrong with Kessler last night. Maybe nothing. But he has never looked inept in the ring even one single time. Ward made him look like that and worse. Calzaghe didn't even come close to showing up Kessler, yet Ward did. What we got last night was a shock of the highest magnitude, IMO. Not that Ward won, but that he won in all but a shutout and basically took the fight out of Kessler.

 

What Can REED Say...Some People R IMPRESSED w/Sergio Martinez as Well, while Others AREN'T....



REED:hammert:

 

Has he not been around?

I have not much myself.. just busy as hell at work

I don't have contact info for that fool

 

I dunno. Perhaps the stalling block for me here is the word "impressed", because it imparts a certain aknowledgment upon a person, that they look at something and it makes a positive impression on them.

Thats how I see it anyway. Personally, there are any number of fighters in the game that give me that kind of a feeling. Kessler is one of them and last night, Andre Ward earned that same distinction from me.

Sergio Martinez has been one of them as well...for years.

 

Good read, Reed

I couldnt quite understand the Kessler hype either

 

Kess hasnt made any excuses. He simply said Ward threw him off his game, and I believe him.

Ward fought him differently than Sloppy Joe. Calz was aggressive, which gave Kess oppertunities to counter, which is when Mikkel is at his best. But Ward made him lead, and gave him lateral movement, which totally threw off what Mikkel is best at.

He'll be fine against Froch.

 

Your an idiot

 

:atu::atu::atu:

 

who would you pick reed, kessler or al green?

 

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REED OPENLY ADMITS his Allan Green Bias, Having Seen him Spar Quite a Few Rounds in the Dallas Area...As INCONSISTENT as Green has Been, he's a LIGHTS OUT PUNCHER...Kessler CERTAINLY Gets HIT & it WOULDN'T Surprise REED @ All if Green STRETCHED him....


REED:hammert:

 

I have never said that Mister REED was 'that excited' by Kessler. Not once have I said that, in fact. But he picked 'confidently' Kessler to beat Calzaghe and then subsequently started a thread praising Calzaghe for an excellent, hard fought win. Why would anyone do this if they were 'unimpressed' with a man? It makes absolutely no logical sense.

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21438

It is the 'unimpressed' part I have a problem with. Does this sound like a man who is 'unimpressed', making 'confident' predictions and talking about Mikkel's 'techinque'? Why would Joe be the number 2 p4p guy after this fight, if Kessler is an 'unimpressive' fighter? :dunno:

As I said earlier, I made DAMN sure that my recollections were correrct before taking Mister REED to task in the prediction thread, because I, unlike a few here, don't come to this board to just start arguments or to throw shit at people.

For the record, I'm pretty fucking annoyed by Mister REED's reaction to the Kessler-Ward fight. I like Mister REED, and have a lot of time and respect for him when it comes to boxing. He made a brave and correct pick, and well done to him.

But this sort of 'calling out' thread is piss poor. You want me to give Mister REED props for picking the winner? Sure, no problem. But this 'never impressed' business is a complete load of :shit:

MTF :dunno:

 

Indeed.

Here is a guy who wins 39 straight fights, tearing through top ten 168lb-ers with relative ease. Andrade, who not so long ago almost KTFO Bute on his home turf nand has since been touted as a replacement for Taylor if he pulls out of this tourney, was brutally smashed around the ring for 12 straight rounds. Mundine put up a better showing, but was dispatched and Beyer was KTFO inside ten minutes.

Unlike some, it seems, I have seen all of these fights and a fair few others for that matter. Kessler looked VERY good all the way up to the Calzaghe fight.

Kessler is 'robotic' and always has been. But he's been damn effective for years and looked pretty fucking good when racking up wins and titles. When he fought Calzaghe he was a double 'world champion', unbeaten, and favoured by many to beat Joe, ultimately losing a competitive unification bout in front of 50,000 spectators.

Kessler was a strong favourite to beat Ward and for good reason. That he didn't win is a BIG surprise, and Ward deserves MAJOR props for stepping up and pulling out the win.

Some people here are making it sound as if picking Kessler to beat Ward flew in the face of logic, when in fact, the opposite is the case.

MTF

 

I agree. Even before Ward started really hammering him, Kessler looked shit, just had no spark or energy. I mean he is robotic at the best of times, but he looked awful on Saturday.

And yep I think by round 3, it was obvious Kessler would lose.

Having said that, I also agree Ward would have beaten any Kessler. I have no doubt he would have beaten the same Kessler that Joe beat.

I would be a fan of Ward if he wasn't such a religious fanatic/jesus freak.

 

Agreed.

He looked downright timid, it was weird. I mean fuck, I don't think Kessler is very good, but I've never seen him fight scared like that.

It was a good example of attack can be the best form of defense too.

Ward had such little to worry about coming back from Kessler, that he became SO comfortable in the rhythm of his attack, and Kessler just took more punishment that he would have done if he had opened up a bit and given Ward something to think about.

 

Green is a bum REED. And not only is he a bum, but he's a choking bum w/no heart. Kessler would KO him w/little trouble.

 

U're "Fucking Annoyed" by REED's Reaction Because U're a FRUSTRATED NUTHUGGER....U Drank from Calzaghe's Phallus like a Newborn on its' Mothers Breast & Kessler was YOUR Prized Possession in that Regard...So U're PISSED that 1 of Calzaghe's Best Wins has Gotten Summarily SHITTED ON...& it Sucks for YOU Because REED has Been Telling YOU about this Guy for MORE than a Year Now...

U were ALWAYS the 1st Guy in Line DEFENDING Kessler...Why???...Because it Made Calzaghe Look BETTER...That's Been your TRUE NUTHUGGING Motivation the ENTIRE Fucking Time...OWN UP to it for Chrissakes & STOP this Pointless Fucking CRUSADE...

It's SAD that U've Spent COUNTLESS HOURS In an Attempt to Dig up What Amounts to NATHAN...Shit, in the FIRST Fucking Sentence of what U Posted REED ADMITS to Being "VERY Reluctant to ACCEPT Joe Calzaghe"...N a NUTSHELL, That's PRECISELY WHY REED Picked Kessler in the Fight...But Being FAIR, REED Points Out the ADJUSTMENTS Calzaghe Made, the CHIN he Exhibited & the Way he STRAIGHTENED his Shots, All While Maintaining his SWAGGER...So it Would've been FOOLISH For REED to Continue DISregarding Calzaghe...

1 Thing about REED; it's Always APPARENT Where he Stands & he DOESN'T Mince Words:nono:...On that Note, Where EXACTLY Did REED EVER Own Up to Being IMPRESSED w/Mikkel Kessler???... U Could Watch a SINGLE Round of Kessler in Action & Pick Up on his TECHNIQUE, but that's ALSO why REED Called him BASIC to a FAULT...He's Toooooo TECHNICAL, to the Point of Being ROBOTIC...Not the Least Bit Imaginative, which is Why Guys w/SPEED, SUPERIOR Versatility & a Degree of UNpredictability TROUBLE him....

If U Find this Thread "Piss Poor" then Simply STAYthefuckOUT of It...That'll Solve Everything...REED was NEVER Impressed w/Kessler & NEVER SAID he was Impressed w/Kessler...But Hey, Thanks for WASTING your Time PROVING it...



REED:shit:

 

:shit::shit::shit::shit:



REED:hammert:

 

The only one in the tourney who I could see Green beating is JT.

 

As AVAILABLE as Froch's Chin is, Green has a GOOD Chance of DENTING it...Kessler WILL Lose Another Fight in the Tourney, Even if he DOESN'T Get a RE w/Ward...If U INSIST on OVERRATING Kessler & just HANDING him Wins, So B it...U'll 1nce Again B DISappointed for Being Soooooo PRESUMPTUOUS....

Sure, Green CHOKED Against Miranda, but he's Got the Power to KO ANY Guy in the Super 6 Tourney & Hopefully he Gets a Chance...



REED:hammert:

 

Frustrated nuthugger? What bullshit is this? :: Why might I be frustrated to have supported a guy who retired over a year ago and never lost? Besides, I don't get 'frustrated' about any boxer or boxing...period. It's a fucking sport I enjoy watching and that's it.

Boxing entertains me: Work, Family issues and Life in general is 'frustrating'. It called perspective :nono:

If Kessler is so shit, why would you elevate Cazaghe, a guy you apparently didn't rate, to the second best fighter in the world aftera close win over this 'unimpressive' chump? That defies logic, no matter how you are trying to spin it. Never in my life have I ever picked a fighter to win a bout having determined beforehand that I was utterly 'unimpressed' with him. To do so defies logic completely, ESPECIALLY when the fight in question is between two guys who hold THREE of the recognised 'world' titles between them and hold combined records of something like 85-0. How can both of these guys be considered 'unimpressive'? :atu:

Completely illogical and you KNOW it. You tacitly admit as such when you say above that 'for about a year now' you have been disparaging Kessler. On that, I agree with you. Indeed you have been cool on Kessler- for about a year or so.

Oh, and if you really think I spent 'hours' trying to find old posts then you are frankly deranged. I took five minutes of my lunch break to have a quick look around and posted the first relevant post I found. You see, I have this other thing called a LIFE, in which I go to work, socialise with work colleagues and friends, engage with my girlfriend and other family members etc etc. Debating with you lot is a pasttime- something I do in my spare time and for enjoyment. I have neither the time nor the fucking inclination to spend 'hours' dredging up old posts...:notallthere:

The reason I am in this thread is because YOU opened it by calling me out. If you didn't want me in this thread, you should have kept my fucking name OUT of it. That you didn't indicates clearly your purpose- you took some shit prior to the fight, your pick turned out to be a good one and YOU created a thread to gloat and name call like a six year old school girl with a root vegatable stuck up her ass.

The reason that this thread pisses me off is because I thought this sort of childish, moronic bullshit was beneath you. Apparently not...

MTF :shit:

 

Given Kessler's record, previous showings, and the fact that I had seen Ward look bad in the past, picking Kessler to win was sensible. In order to pick Ward to win, one had to follow each fighter closely, and see something that few others saw, or make an emotional and lucky pick.

 

On the three boxing boards I post on: here, BF and Tam's place, a grand total of ELEVEN people picked Ward to win, including such luminaries as Rabid Kimba and Rubio. Very few credible people picked Ward to win and for good reason. He obviously had speed, but was completely unproven against a guy like Kessler, who is a multiple champion.

The logical pick was Kessler. Clearly so, in fact. Even taking into account Mikkel's travails against Calzaghe, it was very hard to imagine him struggling so badly. That, of course, is a credit to how well Ward performed- as I said, this was a breakout performance from him and he deserves all the accolades for it.

MTF

 

Agree with all.

Kessler had moments of effort, but he really seemed off. His accuracy just wasn't there and Ward, as good as he is, is usually a lot easier to hit.

 

I have no problem giving Ward credit for his victory, or for crediting anyone who picked Ward because he paid close attention to both fighters and saw what few others saw. But I see no reason to give the credit that some expect for emotional and lucky picks.