Aight...WHIP EM OUT...Marquez-Pac II Scorecards....

Marquez might as well hang em up

 

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So U Think Manny was just "Off Balance" N Round 2???...REED Thinks Manny was in Just as much Trouble, N Round 8, as he Was During the 1st Morales Bout...

REED Knows It PAINS U to Acknowledge it, but Marquez GENUINELY HURT Manny NO FEWER than 2 Times N the RE...

REED

 

Close fight.:dunno:

 

U're Preaching to the Choir...

Tell that to Bama Man, who Seems to Think Manny CLEARLY Won, was NEVER Hurt, Blocked ALL of Marquez's Incoming (or was Off-Balance when he Appeared Hurt )& "Fucked" Marquez Up WORSE than he's Ever Been...


REED

 

Look, Marquez popped Pacquiao a few good times I'll admit, but there was only one fighter that was laid out, legs spread eagle in the air, on the canvas during the fight. That was Juan.

 

if u gave marquez the 1st u dont know how to score a fight.

1 punch doesn't equal 10

 

That was ONE Round Out of a 12 Round Fight, Though...

Why Couldn't Manny FINISH Marquez???...Why Couldn't he DROP Marquez N Any Other Rounds???...

& Failing to Hit the Canvas DOESN'T Mean Manny WASN'T Hurt...


REED

 

He almost did in Round 10. Look I give credit for QueerQuez being able to soak up damage. Happy?

 

It was a CLOSE Round the COULD have Gone EITHER WAY, Jaws...Sheesh!!!...

The Most TELLING Punch of the Round was Landed by Marquez...When Two Fighters SPLIT 15-20 Inconsequential Blows & One of them Lands the Most TELLING Blow of the Round, that's a CLOSE Round...

U Said the Same Shit about Round 12 & REED Still CAN'T See how U Gave that to Pac...


REED

 

REED's an Optimistic Cat by NATURE, so he's Almost Always "Happy"...

Yes or No, was Manny HURT N Round 2???...Yes or No, was Manny HURT N Round 8???...


REED:dunno:

 

Round 2 he was off balance, it was enough to steal the round for JMM on the judges score cards.

Round 8, he was bothered by the cut, but he came back to whip Marquez's ass in round 9 and 10.

 

I thought Manny won round 1 as well. I rewatched it recently. JMM landed 1 hard right hand where the commentator raised his voice. JMM landed a couple bodyshots as well. I thought Manny landed a couple hard lefts though and also landed some to the body. I am surprised so many gave that round to JMM. Why because most of the round was fought at distance? That don't mean that JMM automatically wins it when he gets outlanded. :dunno:

 

So what U're Saying is, NOT ONCE was Manny Pac HURT N the RE w/Marquez???...


REED:dunno:

 

But Doesn't CONTROLLING the Distance Factor N 2 the "Ring Generalship" Aspect of SCORING a Round???:dunno:

Which Guy WANTED to Fight @ a Distance???...Obviously, Marquez...

So If he CONTROLLED the Distance, Landed his Fair Share of Shots AND Landed the most TELLING Punch of the Round, How is it Sooooooo DIFFICULT to Imagine Somebody Scoring that Round for him???...

Personally, REED Acknowledges Round 1 as an "Either/Or" Round, but U Don't Judge a Round Based Off of Punchstats Either...


REED

 

i dpnt have a scorecard but with just a small tally in my head i thought manny probably won 7-5 with a KD

i think thats what i had anyways

id have to watch again and actually score

btw i thought manny won the 1st

 

That's because he did.

 

He was hurt three times, at least. 2, 8 and 10th (around 36-37ss from the end of the round, to be exact).

Both men were hurt.

BTW, I had Pacquiao winning the first, but absolutely it was a close round.

I still had JMM winning 114-113; but it was a close, GREAT fight...I can see a draw or Manny up by 1.

Peace.

 

What exactly did JMM control? He got outlanded that round. If he was truly controlling the round shouldn't he land more? It's not like Manny is some sort of shitty boxer. He fought MAB in the rematch at a distance the majority of the time to. Then again that's probably where that retarded 115-113 scorecard came from in that fight. I don't penalize a guy 1 way or another about where the fight is fought at. What matters to me is landed punches.

 

one punch doesn't equal 10

the 12th is closer than the 1st, but both are Pac rounds.

But as to my original point, the 1st was a round where one guy clearly controlled the action and severely outworked his opp.

 

He was rattled once or twice but never genuinely hurt. I always think of a guy being hurt when his legs are going, and the only fighter who looked weak legged to me was Juan. Especially during the 10th round, even Manny Steward mentioned it.

 

So Do U Merely Judge Fights Based on Punchstats???:dunno: ...

When Fighters R as Stylistically OPPOSITE as Marquez & Pacquiao R, Distance Is USUALLY an INDICATOR of "RING GENERALSHIP", a KEY Bit of Criteria when Scoring a Fight...

If Mike Tyson Fights Ali & the ENTIRE Fight is Waged from the Perimeter, yet NEITHER Man is Hurt, who Wins????:dunno: ...

What's More Important, 2-3 Insignificant Blows or 1 TELLING Blow...


REED:dunno:

 

There were lots of times where Pacquiao was controlling the distance and outboxing Marquez. Case in point:



Some of the Marquez fans swear Pacquiao just loaded up on power shots. ::

 

Not sure what Fight U Watched, but Marquez Landed MORE than "One Punch" N the 1st...

Sounds to REED like U Gave Pac the BENEFIT of EVERY Close Round...Did U Also Give him Round 7???...

YOUR Prerogative, just Get OFF your High Horse & Stop Pretending U INVENTED the "10-Point Must Sytem" or Something...



REED

 

The difference is I saw Manny land a couple of hard left hands. They looked signifigant to me. What made JMM's right hand more signifigant than those punches? because the announcer raised his voice? Landed punches are more important than any other factor in a fight. The fact that JMM fought round 1 on the outside and got outlanded means he lost the round. Oh and I am not talking about punchstats I am talking about what my eyes saw. Punchstats don't mean anything to me because they are often wrong.

 

:laughing:

Dude, U Act as if U WON'T B Allowed to B Filipino if U ADMIT that Manny was HURT N a Fight...

REED Recalls U Blowing Off Manny's KO Losses due to Trouble Making Weight, but REED Didn't Think ADMITTING he's Been HURT would B Sooooooooo Difficult for U...

REED Never Knew Manny was BULLETPROOF...


REED::

 

The Announcer has NO Bearing on REED's Judgement:nono: ...N Fact, REED Watched the Fight LIVE N a Crowded Sports Bar where it was IMPOSSIBLE to Hear the Commentary...

REED Thought Marquez Landed the BEST Punch of the Round w/Manny Landing More of the Lesser Shots...

U Have YET to Address "Ring Generalship" N your Scoring...w/Pac & Marquez, 1 Guy WANTS Distance, the Other DOESN'T...U Said YOURSELF that Round 1 was Fought @ a DISTANCE for the Most Part...



REED

 

He was weight draining to stay at flyweight, he had been fighting at that weight as a teenager.

When Manny has been healthy, he has won all of his fights except one, which was versus Morales. Then again, that was also his FIRST fight at 130. :dunno:

Now he's moving to 135, his 7th or 8th division during his career and seriously expected to capture a belt or two.

That in itself is amazing. Of course if Manny ends up fighting Ricky Hatton like Arum is planning, and looses, I'm sure the anti-Manny brigade will come out in droves bragging how a former welterweight title holder beat up on a former flyweight champ.

 

Ring generalship is just not that important, if you are being outlanded. Are you really controlling the round if you are being outlanded? No. The biggest and most important thing is landed punches which is why Manny won the round. If JMM fights on the inside and wins the round by outlanding him then he would win the round to. Manny wouldn't just win the round because it was fought inside.

BTW-Manny's not even an inside fighter. A lot of his punches are more effective from the outside.

 

So AGAIN, it's about Punchstats or @ Least Punches YOU See w/your Own Eyes...

U Make it Seem like Manny SEVERELY Outlanded Marquez N Round 1....What WERE the Punchstats by the Way???...

Manny ISN'T a Frazier or Tyson Type of INFIGHTER, but he LIKES to Stay Close Enough to @ Least Land his Southpaw 1-2's...For MUCH of Round 1, he was UNABLE or UNWILLING to Do that...

If a Guy BARELY Outlands You, YOU Land the Biggest Shot of the Round & Most of the Time, YOU KEEP Him @ the Distance YOU Prefer, that's a Case for WINNING that Round...Ring Generalship is ALWAYS a Factor...If a Guy is Kicking your Ass, he's Controlling the Ring Generalship Aspect...If the War is Waged from YOUR Preferred Distance, You've Controlled the Ring Generalship...

& Again, REED has Conceded that Round 1 Could've went EITHER WAY...U're Acting like Marquez has NO Case for Winning Round 1...



REED

 

the 1st round was not one of the many debatable rounds after the fact.

Pacquiao won it, and idk what this bullshit is about the "distance" a fight being at automatically means someone is winning. Manny always fights in an "in and out" way and is comfortable at middle distance.

The story of the fight wasn't the distance, it was the lulls when pacquiao ran out of energy or just stopped pursuing where marquez was able to do well. Still, Pacquiao has now beaten Marquez twice, and I can't believe how stupid people are on here to cry foul and that marquez clearly won.

That just isn't what happened, and its shameful that supposedly intelligent boxing fans can be so dense and misguided