Alvarez is minus 2.2 pounds overweight for WBC Jr. middleweight championship

Jones would beat him, and Jones isn't that good either.

 

Jones was far more impressive in the Karass rematch than Canelo was against Hatton.

 

I forgot about Jones. Yeah he'd also beat Alvarez.

 

Agreed. Not impressed with Saul Hucknall in the slightest. Jones would beat him, I'd put money on it.

 

alvarez is no sure thing against soto karass

 

Either is Jones.

 

Jones just gave Karass a thrashing.

Jones has a higher skill level than the Ginger at this point(and maybe a higher skill level than Alvarez will ever develop) and he's better defensively.

I guess I'd give Ginger a puncher's chance. Even though he's not a huge puncher, he does have alot more pop than Karass. Short of that though, I dont see how he beats Mike Jones from range.

 

Jones got a nice christmas present in November in the first fight.


I don't understand how people think Alverez is so shitty on here.

 

And then showed the real Mike Jones in the rematch and whupped Karass ass the way he was supposed to.

Nobody would be calling Alvarez shitty if his hype wasnt so huge.

He's getting the same amount(if not more) hype from HBO/G than Tito got from DK/Showtime in the 90's. The differance being Tito was 2 light years more talented.

 

Alvarez would beat Jones to death. That guy ain't shit.

 

An 8-4, 7-5 thrashing. Alfonso Gomez beat Karass more convincingly.:: Jones is going nowhere, he couldn't even beat Berto & Berto is horseshit too.

 

Berto would light up the Alvarez we saw on Saturday.

And Mike Jones is a good fighter. Will he ever be great? No. But he'd be a live underdog to beat Berto, and until and UNLESS Ginger improves.... Jones would beat him.

 

Frankly I'm not big on Alvarez and never have been, but I think he beats Jones clearly and him vs Berto is 50/50 at worst.

Berto is a very poor champion, IMO, especially relative to his athleticism. He's on the David Reid level. Jones is worse.

Just my opinion.

 

I would make Alverez a favourite to beat Jones, his stamina is shitty.

 

Jones vs. Canelo is a pick'em......Jones stamina is not that great...but will Canelo push him??...

 

What about the Jones that needed a gift to beat Soto?

 

What about the Mayweather that needed a gift to beat Castillo?

ANY fighter is capable off an off night, and capable of losing.

Jones has shown the tools on a good night to be able to beat Alvarez.

 

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Why is the fact that a prospect losing mean his management dropped the ball? Fighters are supposed to be tested to rate where they are, build their confidence, and prepare them for tough fights. You can't make their road to the top easy as all fuck then wonder why they lose when they face a top guy.

I think the only mistake Gs makes is not pulling out all the stops to rebuild their prospects confidence after a loss. Instead of doing that they just give up on them it seems. Should Ortiz have been in there with Maidiana? Maybe not. That fight may have been too much for him, and they probably should have investigated Ortiz' toughness level before tossing him in with Maidiana, but I can't complain when a fighter gets beat in an evenly matched fight which that was.

 

That is the best comparison of Berto I've heard. It's perfect he is David Reid 2.0 only Reid fought better comp before and after his championship. But Berto is right there, same flashy hand speed, same crappy foot work and basically all style and no substance. Even Judah gets more respect than Berto ever will because Zab fought the best. Berto's a fucking joke of a belt holder and I'll never call him a champion again. He's quit simply a belt holder, nothing more until he proves otherwise.

 

Mayweather is a lot more proven and Castillo is much better than Soto.

 

I wouldn't say they dropped the ball w/ Escobedo more so than they've probably given up on him. Seems like he maxed out against Dominic Salcido, a rare performance where he showed any signs of life.

If was as good as the scouting report, he wouldn't have lost as badly as he did to Katsidis (the atrocious scoring aside) and Guerrero. Golden Boy strung him along for quite a long time, and he quite frankly grew boring/monotonous for the most part.

agREED on the others.

 

didnt they get him knocked off earlier in his career vs some puerto rican kid?

 

That was Chargin's doing. He wasn't with Golden Boy yet.

 

Soto Karass almost didn't make it out of the first round in that fight. Jones had him hurt bad and threw himself out trying to finish him. Jones made a rookie mistake in that fight and won the rematch clearly.

 

Exactly, that's how I see it as well... and also why prospects need fights like that, rather than being protected all the way to the title level.

To this day, we still don't know what Daniel Jacobs is capable of even against a fringe contender. He went from garbage to Pirog, and back to garbage.

Granted, Jones should've beaten JSK with ease the first time around, but is a good enough fighter to have learned from his mistakes

 

i dont think jones is anything great. but lets face it, soto karass is a level above anyone alvarez has faced.

 

Alverez-Hatton was HBO's biggest rating on BAD for 2 years.

60 million gente tuned in in Mexico to watch the fight.

Alverez is a mega superstar considering hes only 20 years old.

 

I want Alvarez to be a good fighter, I really do. As Hut said, he could be better than he looks.

 

SD, I guess it's good that he is "good" for boxing, if you can consider winning a 154 pound title over Matthew Hatton who has never fought at the weight, held at 150 pounds "good", yeah ::

But as for him being good? You'll see. He'll have to step up in class sooner or later. A fight between him and Kirkland or Angulo wouldn't even be close, put it that way, they'd both dish out a beating.

 

I like Canelo not because he is great but fun to watch. People need to understand the ridiculous pressure he is fighting under. He will never live up to the hype they put on him in Mexico, Televisa, Goldenboy.

It's funny how some rank the guy like this is as good as he is gonna be. The kid is 20 years old. Of course he can get better. He has enough tools to improve from.

I don't think he'll be an all time great but he can be a decent champion with time.

As far as the guys like Angulo, and Kirkland. It's funny how everyone here labels Cintron the biggest pussy in boxing who beat Angulo. Yet Angulo still has this unstoppable myth about him.

I do think Canelo needs a better corner if he is to improve enough to compete at a higher level.

As of now to me he is green. I don't care how many fights are on his record he is still young and still looks raw.

Kirkland, Angulo, would beat him now but it would be competitive. CAnelo ain't that bad and those guys ain't that good.