Andre Berto tests positive

Why would they want to know? Really?

 

Preliminary results are usually dispensed to the athlete in question where there is a fail in question, then they prepare a response, ask for the opening of the B sample, etc.

It ties in with my general belief that De la Hoya and Co. are seeking control of the information flowing from the tests, they can then conceal, leak, etc the information as they see fit.

Its why you get these rumblings in the media about a "hitch" in the fight. Nobody knows where they started, it seems. I have a good idea. G wanted OUT of the fight all along.

Clearly Oscar and friends tried to get the information, but because they couldn't get the consent of the fighters themselves, they came up short, probably had to go about it a different route then.

VADA's statement is very interesting.

 

This is a link to the site, I don't know where I am supposed to look for a comparison between WADA and VADA testing.

 

Well I already reproduced the piece you should be reading in any case: Oscar and Schaefer are trying to control the information on the tests, that much is clear.

 

I think if I were promoting an event I might want to know as soon as possible if there is a bad result likely to be coming so that I could start trying to mitigate the damage and get replacement fighters on standby.

Or I could be planning a vicious coup d'etat on the sport and expect the information to strengthen my Machiavellian strategies to wreak havoc in the most dastardly ways possible.

It's one of those two possibilities.

 

I don't know what G has to do with the actual testing and what the difference is between WADA and VADA testing.

 

Very simple question: If Petersen wants the payday vs Khan, then why not just get him to sign a contract which authorizes G to gain access to the A results? A major player in the business can't screw a signature out of a B-Level fighter? Please.

Its one thing to give the sanctioning bodies a pass. Extending that to the promoters is the wrong side of naive. Its indefensible.

 

Neither do I exactly. My position on all of this is that Oscar and friends know that information is power and seem to want access to as much info as they can. It suggests they know who is and who isn't juicing, just for openers. Once they know that, its not too hard to suggest that they know which testing regimen to nudge them in the direction of....which brings us to....

I am not entirely sure either. There are differences, and, superficially, it seems possible that a fella would be on one drug and pass one test, and fail the other, and vice versa. That much, ostensibly, appears to be the case, so far.

 

I guess I'll just shut up for now and try to figure out what your point is. I is lost.

opcorn:

 

Why would Oscar want access to A results?

You say its in the name of contingency.

Yet the VADA say that an A test has no legal status, and so, in that regard, it would not be of any use in the "contingency" sense, correct?

Now, VADA say that G can STILL gain access to the A results if they get written approval from the tested party, in this case, Khan and Petersen, yet VADA stress further that G never got back to them with this written authorization, which leads me to believe that they either approached Petersen and were told where to go, or decided to not bother approaching him at all, preferring to get their hands on the information some other way.

The next thing we hear, in very fuzzy terms, is that the fight is off.

 

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more horse shit. ortiz already beat berto. and if he wanted out of the rematch he could have simply fought someone else when berto got his injury. or never even signed for the rematch. it makes no sense for these guys to sign for fights, promote fights, train for fights that will never materialize. all for what? the perception of a few fans?

your last sentence is the only thing you said that made any sense.

 

Ortiz got past Berto. He roided up and got past him. Berto was roiding up for the Re. He had Conte on board. Oscar knew this.

Oscar wants to make Khan vs Ortiz, any more difficulties for Ortiz or Khan puts that to an end.

It makes perfect sense to train for fights. If one fight doesn't come off, you are still in shape. Oscar and Shifter take care of the rest. The guy is already in training so its easy to flip it and have him carry on for a short while as they line some fresh bum up.

Oscar wasn't going to risk a geared-up, wised-up Berto getting the better of Ortiz, who lets face it, is prone to fuck up sooner or later. He came pretty close to not getting out of the first fight.

If it was just Khan vs Petersen being canceled, maybe, you would have a shout. But its Khan vs Petersen and Ortiz vs Berto, and, you've got word that the Khan vs Petersen fight will be changed to a No-Contest, which proves the point I already made about having the fight struck from the record, erasing with it the stench of Khan's performance in same.

 

do you really believe this gibberish? if golden boy wanted to preserve khan for anyone it would be mayweather jr.

you are acting like ortiz-khan is some type of leonard hearns ppv bonanza. its not. people saw khan vs peterson, whatever stench they were left with from watching that fight is not going to be erased by changing it to a n/c.

 

Floyd is still way too fresh for Khan. Listen to what Cock A Roach has been saying. Ortiz vs Khan is the route to Floyd, its the route because it will eat up time, its the route because Ortiz would be a common opponent to Floyd and Khan, its the route because Khan and Ortiz fought as amateurs, is the route because Peterson is twice the risk with half the money.

Mark my words. How anybody should have to be so persistent in their put down of a boxing promoter is beyond me. These people are thieves, trashbags, policy runners.

 

Bigger piece of the pie, less work. They own both fighters.

 

I don't want to cast aspersions on anyones version of events, but one thing which ALWAYS got my attention in these cases is.....since when did anyone every trust a promoter or a manager in boxing?

You look at De La Hoya. He's always been a bullshitter and always felt he knew better than others. He had that run in with Arum where he was walking around telling the World how he "just beat the biggest Jew to come out of Harvard". Arum had to remind the goyim that he barely had a high-school diploma.

He's got this Schaefer character on board. Another guy with no immediately discernible record in the USA. No immediately identifiable background. Never was a fighter, a corner-man, a trainer, anything. Just shows up and goes to work with Oscar. Just like that. Imported talent.

Why is it beyond the realms of possibility that these people are cheats and con-men? :dunno: Knowing what we know about the sport, has this suddenly become such a shot-in-the-dark, to assume that these people might be bent? That they might work an angle to progress matters to their own advantage?

The bottom line in this business is money and the money in boxing is generated by interest and perception. It has to be perceived that Khan was ripped off by Petersen, that he's really the champ, that Khan looked so bad because Petersen was on some mad gear and that Khan is some sort of a hard-done-by guy, pure as the driven snow. Often the perception that one guy is a cheat is used to mask the fact that the other guy is a cheat. Who is more likely on gear? Berto? Or Ortiz?

Its baloney. Why do you all think Oscar looked so tragic and crestfallen after the Petersen fight? Arum reminded him years ago he was some schmuck from the barrio. They forgot to take care of the referee and the fucker did his job. Small time. Idiots.

Same process with Berto. Its an information based game, played out from under the perception that there is a big drive on to "clean up boxing".