Andre Ward vs Joe Calzaghe.

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  1. Hut*Hut

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    Calzaghe wouldn't have beaten any of Ward's recent opposition as comfortably as Ward has and there isn't a Calzaghe opponent Ward wouldn't have bested. That's the truth.
     
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    Two things. Firstly, the last thing to leave anyone is there punch. Secondly, Hopkins is still an elite level guy now, yes? LHW champ? P4P fighter?

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    Kessler-Froch was razor close. Froch is an all round & more accomplished supermiddleweight than Kessler & in terms of ability they're clearly right right on a par. Regardless, Ward also beat Kessler more one sidedly than Joe did, too, so the debate is moot......nice try though!

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    Hell no.
     
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    Slap avalanche might not be pretty, but works pretty fucking well. Joe would've beaten Ward.
     
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    you think Roy was a better fighter than Ward when he fought Calzaghe? At least a level above?

    I rate Ward higher than Hopkins, that's for sure.

    Hopkins I'll give you - at least it's arguably close. But Roy? Gimmie a break.
     
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    He beat Kessler pretty damn comfortably in the end. An unbeaten Kessler at that. He would have absolutely destroyed Green; it would have looked like the Lacy fight but worse. And I have ALWAYS said that Calzaghe would have been an awful style match-up for Froch. Joe would have massacred Carl (and I am a big Froch fan)

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    It's a 50/50 fight
     
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    I'd favour Joe, but Ward has plenty of time to change my mind.
     
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    No, I don't. But even the utterly shot RJJ Joe fought still could punch. And, as Slice says, the shot he caught Joe with was a freak, fist/wrist/forearm shot. And Joe was up at about four.

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    So why did you say he was at least a level above 5 minutes ago?
     
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    No it doesn't. How would Froch be Calzaghes best super middleweight win when he already beat his nemesis?
     
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    Kessler being a wash, Froch is better than anyone else on Joe's Super Mid resume.
     
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    I didn't think Kessler-Froch met the "razor close" tag to be honest. Was fairly comfortable for Kessler in terms of margins.

    Ward didn't fight an undefeated Kessler, nor did he beat him in a clean manner. So this one-sidedly nonsense is moot. He just followed the blueprint Joe had already laid down and added some cheating in the mix for good measure.
     
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    Boxrec have him P4P no.5. So do Boxing News. They are the first two I looked at...

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    Because I don't think Ward is anywhere near as good as you and others think he is.

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    Maybe, but Eubank is debatable. Regardless, Calzaghe would have given Froch a frightful beating.
     
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    So you decided to prop up Joe's lame win over a shot Roy?
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    By the way, I fucking KNEW this topic would come up on here after the fight last night :lol:
     
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    Can i just remind fightbeat that the fact somebody is 'unbeaten' & then isn't unbeaten after that means FUCKING NOTHING, in itself. Literally not a single thing. Stop mentioning it as if it makes a case for something.
     
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    There was no need for a Super Six in Joes day because everyone knew who the best super middleweight in the world was
     
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    I've been saying I consider Ward at least the equal of Calzaghe for ages. He just is, he keeps showing it with comfortable wins over opponents equal to the best Joe ever faced.
     
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    I wasn't propping up that win at all. That fight was a joke- I said so beforehand (winning three sig bets in the process) and have always said so afterwards. Muzse brought up Joe being timed by a good shot in the first round of the circus fight. Jones did that because, even though he was shot to shit, he still had enough skills, timing and power to land that kind of surprise, early shot because, well, he was RJJ.

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    Well it does as a blueprint is laid down for other fighters to exploit, if the win is decisive
     
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    Do you think that the version of Hatton who fought Floyd was the same version that fought Lazcarno next fight out?

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    Well most people thought he was probably better than Sven Ottke, yeah. Not with searing conviction but most of us thought he was a shade better.
     
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    I'm going to have to ask you to retract your statement that Roy was at least a level above Ward. Thanks in advance.
     
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    He's a very good fighter and it's a fight I would've liked to have seen. Calzaghe's still better though.
     
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    Or it is if you think that the confidence that comes from a thirty-odd fight run might give a fighter a little bit more than he might otherwise have.

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    He won every single round. Then dominated Pauli Mallinagi, similarly. If he was diminished it was mainly in our perceptions.
     
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