Andre Ward vs Joe Calzaghe.

Perhaps I missed the moment when Calzaghe rendered Kessler unconscious.

 

Losing one fight where you don't take a serious beating doesn't suddenly make you worse.

 

Did I say that Roy was a level above when he fought Joe?

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He was miles better if we're using your "results against common opponents" barometer

 

Yes.

 

Pundit airtime-fill hot air. As many fighters were made better from the motivation of their first defeat. More than were effected either way came back exactly the same fighter because the confidence fairy doesn't actually mean shit, for 99% of guys.

 

You don't think a long, unbeaten run gives fighters a confidence which adds something to their game? Fighters usually look as good after defeats as before them?

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Ward quite clearly studied Calzaghes win over Kessler

 

My point is saying Joe didn't need a super 6 to prove he was better than.......Sven Ottke, doesn't really say much for him.

 

I respectfully, completely disagree.

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Fighters often bounce back after being outpointed, yes. Kessler was fine, he looked fine between Calzaghe and Ward.

 

Not particularly. It just adds to our projections of quality onto him.

 

Not his fault.

 

Where?

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Well then you're arguing with 100 years of boxing history.

 

Pretending to be scared of airplanes was.

 

Did you watch his fight with Sartison, immediately after the Calzaghe fight? Kessler looked like absolute horseshit. He then took nearly a year off...

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Calzaghe - BOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

And came back to record by far his career best win.

 

He and his promoter were willing to fly over and fight Hopkins, though.

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Right here.

Hopkins and RJJ are a level above Ward. At least a level above. They also both hit hard. Ward punches like a girl. After they both put calzaghe down, they proceeded to lose to Joe.

So would Ward.

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Actually, no, he lost to Ward first. Then he beat Froch, an overachieving, gusty fighting farmer, by wafer thin decision, at home, in a fight which injured him enough many thought he would have to retire.

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Where did I say RJJ was a level above Ward when Calzaghe fought him?

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Yeah, I saw it. I don't remember much about it, although I don't remember Kessler losing any rounds.

 

If this is a reference to the showtime 2002 offer Hopkins received, I believe that was actually mooted for Cardiff.

 

Why would he be relevant to the discussion otherwise?

 

You brought up RJJ in the context of Joe's performance against him and in that post said he was a level above Ward.

 

I'll give you Jones, but he was more than willing to face St. Bernard

 

He KO'd an unbeaten guy and lost 1 of 11 rounds on 2 cards and sweeped them on the other. :dunno:

 

Nope. New York I believe.