Andre Ward vs Joe Calzaghe.

Lose rounds? To Sartison? Kessler was stopping, violently, garbage like Sartison circa 2006/07. He looked awful- his timing was off, he took about half a dozen rounds to establish his rhythm, and duly disappeared for about a year so much so that people on this site were talking openly about 'kessler having lost his heart' etc.

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He did get the stoppage, didn't he? Wasn't a very compelling fight.

 

Because someone else brought him up. I didn't.

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In Cardiff, at a weight Hopkins had never fought at before. Shame it didn't happen because Hopkins certainly would have won. But it was hardly ballsy on Joe's part.

 

Not according to the source I read. Where did you see this?

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What you were suggesting was clear.

 

Did you watch the fight?

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What I 'suggested', rightly is that RJJ was a much better fighter than Andre Ward. I didn't say he was in the Calzaghe fight. Not once did I say so, in fact.

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Sartison has lost one fight in 28 & is now a world title holder. It's one of Kessler's 4 or 5 best wins.

 

The judges did.

 

As I said, I read New York, I don't know where you're getting Cardiff from. I like how you're not using the same-day-weigh-in schtick with Hopkins here and making out like Joe would massively outsize him ::. Bernard was boiling down to 160 for years, he clearly has a light-heavyweight frame.

 

Yeah, he basically scored an 12th round accumulation stoppage against a guy he would have wasted eighteen months earlier. Hurray...

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Weird point to make as we were talking about Calzaghe's competition.

 

I'll take that to be a 'no', then.

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I was talking about how good Andre Ward was by comparison to Hopkins and RJJ. Not sure what you were talking about.

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Again, that's your perception. It isn't based on any facts, whatsoever. Just like your idea that Hatton would have beaten Lazcano & Pauli more easily before when the form book strongly suggests otherwise. You're projecting vulnerability onto guys after defeats - there's no evidence for it in the results.

 

Oh yeah, he's the WBA 'champion', not Ward. He beat an absolute palloka for a vacant title (Bozac or some nomark) and has fought exactly no-one save for Kessler. My bag, I thought he was shite...

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Results:

Kessler TKO 12

Scorecard 1: 110-98
Scorecard 2: 109-99
Scorecard 3: 109-99

I didn't see it and hence had no opportunity to project deterioration & vulnerabilities which patently weren't there.

 

If you honestly think that top level sportsmen do not perform better (and, ergo, are a more difficult proposition for opponents) when they have extra, higher levels of self-confidence, I genuinely don't know what to tell you. I can't even understand why you, a perfectly intelligent man, are arguing this point.

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He is shite. He's shite enough to lose every round to Mikel Kessler. But less shite than the type of bums Kessler was 'violently KOing', save perhaps Beyer. And one violent KO at that level does not a summer make.

 

That's all I asked. Thanks.

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I see no evidence for it in boxing history and I don't think good fighters suddenly fall into an existential quagmire when they lose one competitive decision.

 

Again, that's all I wanted to know. You just tried to blow a load of smoke up his arse by referring to his being a 'world champion'

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Never said i did. I said the judges did and have no reason to doubt that they recognise an easy one-sided fight when they see it, even if you wanna see other things.

 

:wack: Uh huh.

 

There is evidence of it in every sport ever played at every level sport is played. And I didn't say they fell into an ;existential quamire' I said their performance would be diminished.

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No, I was only establishing him as a better fighter than Craig Cummings & Dean Williams and the other type of guys you were trying to group him with, as a Kessler opponent. There's nothing in Kessler's form book to suggest he'd ever beat him more comfortably than 11-0 and a 12th round stoppage.

 

Normally a good idea to be sure about an accusation before you make it. Save's the time of being wrong.

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Asking questions which have nothing to do with the points at hand then saying 'that's all I wanted to know' when you get an answer you already know and has never been disputed isn't really debating.

But anyway....down with Jazzercise. Agree to disagree.

 

Calzaghe was a coward, and he wasn't that goodc (ass proved by his showin g against Reid and an old hopkins) . The brits that are defending him sounds as pathetic asd the quebecer that clim that bute is the best super middle, even tought he avoid top opposition like plague (much like calzaghe)