ANDY LEE vs BRIAN VERA...

Great call Mister REED :bears:

Obviously, I haven't seen this fight (and won't until Sunday night which is when we get re-runs of FNF over here), but I am very surprised by this result.

I'll reserve further judgment until then, but WOW. I really did think Lee was better than this.

Win some and lose some, huh? ::

MTF

 

Lee doesn't use his jab effecitvely enough or keep distance enough. It's hard to be a 6'2 counter-puncher relying on one punch at a time. Eventually, you find out not everybody's going to respect your power after getting tagged early on.

 

anybody know if that Anthony Peterson guy is any good? I saw the highlights and was impressed with his handspeed and combinations, seems like a hard hitter too

 

Well, the Stoppage WAS a Bit BOGUS...Lee was HURT (& Bleeding), but NEVER Hit the Canvas & was Even PUNCHING BACK when the Ref Jumped In...

He SHOULD have Been Given the Luxury of Being DROPPED @ Least...

Lee was Waaaaaaaaay AHEAD on the Cards, DROPPED Vera N the 1st, Hurt him 1nce or Twice More Early & LITERALLY Landed his Left Hand @ Will...But After about 3 or 4 Rounds, Vera WASN'T Affected by them Anymore...

He FORCED Himself Upon Lee, who has Virtually NATHAN to Offer N Terms of INFIGHTING & Made it a Dogfight...

Some Guys Get "Exposed" N Losses...REED WOULDN'T Classify this Loss that Way...No Doubt, Andy Lee can BEAT Brian Vera...He's a BETTER Fighter...

Lee can LEARN from this Loss...It's Definitely NOT Time to Write him Off:nono: ...

REED

 

that was a good stoppage. Getting hit with stuff like that over and over and over was gonna get Lee serious Brain damage. He was going to get KO'd, and was on the verge, its good that the ref kept us from watching someone die on FNF.

 

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Seriously Jaws? You sound like Explosive. "Don't laugh, Roy might be dead!"

I've seen guys come back from much worse. Shit, Lee stunned Vera momentarily just before the fight was stopped.

Manny is going senile. Teaching all his fighters lately to use that pawing jab and throwing their money punch one punch at a time.

I don't know if Lee would have eventually been knocked out or if he's over-rated or whatever but he was showing plenty of heart himself, eating lots of shots and staying on his feet.

Ridiculous stoppage IMO, especially since Vera was constantly vulnerable himself.

 

Terrible stoppage, no question.

 

how many of those bombs would've been too many. He probably landed 15-20 absolute bombs in the last round, and was walking forward with his hands at his knees flailing, completely disrespectful of Lee's "power."

This is not a case of if, Lee was in serious trouble, and allowing him to absorb shots like that is not safe.

 

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The problem was Lee threw a couple of pretty hard shots back when the ref wanted to start the fight. he probably gets stopped anyways but lee wasn't out of it.

 

im not saying he wasn't throwing back. But Vera literally walked through his power as Lee stood on jello legs, and fired hard shots that weren't even close to being blocked. I mean Andy was literally "out on his feet" and the ref saw one more bomb and said thats enough. And there still was alot of time on the clock

 

Frankly, bro, Lee was more 'out' earlier in that round. By the time the ref stepped in Lee had actually regathered his senses and was firing back, landing two hard left hands, one of which set Vera back on his heels.

Just the round before, Vera had been stunned and went a bit weak at least twice.

Lee was more tired than "on jello legs".

It was a bad stoppage with bad timing.

BOTH guys were taking bombs, and both were getting rocked and firing back...one had more energy than the other.

I have no agenda toward either guy - and all in all, it was a great fight.

There's always risk, but by this reasoning fights like Gatti-Ward I and Vazquez-Marquez III (and on down the line) would have been stopped much earlier.

Peace.

 

nobody would've complained if gatti ward was stopped in the 9th.

Lee was wobbling around the entire round, eating brutally flush shots over and over. yes he should've just stopped it 10 seconds prior, but it wasn't that poor of a stoppage

 

"Wobbling around the entire round"...you have a flair for the dramatic, Aaron. ::

My point is, he shouldn't have stopped it at all....the poor timing just further adds to the issue.

We won't agree here and that's ok; but I am truly surprised that anyone considers this a good stoppage.

Peace.

 

You're such a bleeding heart Jaws. ::


When are you gonna move out and start a family of your own with that girl of yours?

 

don't make a difference.....IF Lee had been everything Stewart said he was..he woudn't be in the position he was earlier......next.......

 

That's besides the point. There's an overhyped prospect in the sport getting beat every week. Just because Stewart trains the guy doesn't mean it wasn't a great action fight up to that point that got stopped prematurely.

 

Steward always hypes up his charges.

Give the kid a bit of a break...he's got 15 fights and a very solid Ammy background and can certainly make adjustments...and he wasn't off his feet and was firing back when the very poor stoppage occurred.

Vera is the type of opponent who will test anyone - the Codrington aberration notwithstanding.

Lee may not be the next great and has learning to do, but let's see what happens - it's still kind of early.

Peace.

 

he survives to lose again down the road........to a b level fighter.....

 

so what? :dunno:

 

so tomorrow he will wake up....have some potato for breakfast...heal the wounds of the heart...play the rocky IV soundtrack(my fav)..go to the gym and train....hard....harder....hardest..iron man...

 

Bad stoppage.....but the good thing is that we now know that Andy Lee is shit.

AAHHHAAAHHAA::

 

What's the proper way of pronouncing it? :dunno:

that was the worst stoppage in history, btw. ::

 

:nono: Andy Lee could have died in there!

 

wow.

 

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Stewart said he didn't had any problem with the stoppage.
Me, while I do think it was a bad one, doesn't think it was as bad as some makes it out to be. He was getting rocked and on jello legs the whole round, Verra couldn't miss him with the right hand, and you had the sense that the ref was about to stop it. Personnaly, I think a one punch early stoppages a la Tszuy-Judah or Tyson-Williams are worse, as permanent dammage come from accumulation usually and not single shot. Lee can still have a future, he has impressive offense but he has to work majorly on his defense which is non existant, especially in the inside. Just as El Terrible, I kept thinking of Wlad when watching him, but he's not as strong as Wlad ( p4p of course ) wich makes it easier for his opponent to escape the clinch and fights on the inside where he has no clue what to do ( but he seems to have more heart and fighting spirit than Wlad ). Worst of all, he got to stop admiring his work, it looked like Verra made him hit him on purpose, and everytime he would counter with the right hand. Verra, even thought he won, is obviously going nowhere, but put on a great fight tonight and won a ton of respect.

 

You think Judah, practically falling down twice within the same 10 count was a worse stoppage then this? :doh:

 

indeed it was, Judah just had his balance screwed and he just got up to soon. He was fine less than 10 seconds , just look at how he had his legs under him after the fight was stopped <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZBZTTwijWMs&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZBZTTwijWMs&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

Lee had no legs left and was taking shot after shot, and before a moron claim otherwise, I do think it was an early stoppage.

 

So much for Lee being a threat to Pavlik.:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

he'll find solace among his people upon returning home