Angulo-Kirkland: FINAL predictions

the Jap was really fast and surprised Kirkland...Kirkland won't be surprised and won't be caught early by Angulo's slow punches. If Kirkland doesn't use a little tact in this fight I'll be surprised. I think Angulo is so damn overated.

 

Ishida really fast? LMFAO! Stop making up excuses for bum ass Kirkland. That Jap is NOT fast at all.

And Angulo has slow ass feet. But his hands arent slow. Especially not against a guy thats gonna be comin at him with no defense like Kirkland.

 

Angulo has slow hands and feet. He couldn't even get to glass chin/heart Kermit. Watch what happens when Kirkland lands the first left hand to the body. This bum will get even slower than he already is. It will be a fun fight while it lasts.

 

The body is actually the key for Kirkland. He won't be able to hurt Angulo to the head right away, so he should try to invest in some early body punishment.

IF Kirkland is still around by the 5th, and has got in some good body work, I like his chances.

But I still have a hard time envisioning him not going to sleep within 4.

 

Writing off Kirkland is mildly silly. Yeah, he should be an underdog, but he is really more of a question mark than a known for this fight. Who knows what condition he will even show up in? Who knows how much he has lost with his little prison hiatus? Was his loss to the asian fellow (who was NOTHING like Angulo in any technical, anatomical, racial, ethnic, stylistic, or even nomenclatural way, yes I made that word up) a fluke? Stylistic? Did he just show up a la Tyson in Tokyo? Who knows.

Angulo is technically more sound, but gets discouraged easily, and falls into sparring style fighting as the fight goes deeper. Angulo has a good chin, but certainly could be hurt by Kirkland. Plus, as seen with the Cintron fight, Angulo at times makes stupid decisions about what is best for his preparedness before fights.

A Kirkland win is huge. Just huge. This is it for him. Gametime.

This Angulo KO3 shit is just wrong.

In the vein of the thread, though, I'd have to pick Angulo via a late stoppage since I think Angulo probably outlasts the onslaught Kirkland brings early, and then it comes down to boxing a fuckload of rounds with discipline, something Kirkland probably will not be able to do.

But Kirkland is a live, live dog, and I would not be surprised to see Angulo hurt early and possibly the fight hinging on stamina and perhaps knockdowns giving one or the other the points to win a UD. Neither of these guys is for shit if the fight is going to go 10 or 12 rounds. I can't recall if either even went a full 10 rounds before other than the Cintron fight for Angulo??? Let alone 12.

A good matchup, this one. May surprise a lot of people. If I were in Kirkland's camp, I would advise him to fight as if the fight were 7 rounds long. Angulo will start slow, Kirkland could go way up on points or take Angulo out, then if Angulo is still around, maybe coast and try and take some rounds off to mount a late surge and win on the cards. Without some KD's or a huge early lead, Kirkland can't win this IMO. He just gasses too fast and cannot fight in a low-energy mode.

 

Angulo is one of the biggest punchers in boxing, and Kirkland got blown away by a feather fist less than a year ago, and will ALWAYS be easy to hit.

Why is Angulo KO 3 wrong?

BTW - Kirkland couldnt SPELL the word coast! He and Wolfe train one way, and one way only. Full speed ahead. Its either him, or the other guy.

 

No, Kirkland is crude and chinny, he stands no chance.

Angulo KO 2.

Barristan either has a hardon for Kirkland or hates Angulo or both, because being confident of a Kirkland victory is not objective.

As REED knows I've also always thought Angulo was overrated, and wasn't even that surprised when he lost to Cintron, but at world level Kirkland is a complete scrub.

I'll be shocked if he lasts 6 rounds, let alone wins.

He is fun to watch though, I don't dislike him at all, he's just nowhere near world class.

 

Angulo KO 8. It won't be a chin shot, but a body shot, and it won't come as early as most are predicting because Kirkland is a tough guy with a lot to prove.

I think this will be a similar, but more one-sided version of Margarito Cotto 1.

 

I don't know. That Jap was 22-6 with like 7 KOs on his record. 35 years old at that.

It became clear that was the first time Kirkland met anyone with a bit of technical skill and counter punching ability and he just couldn't cope. Even if the guy was feather fisted, he had no idea on how to approach it.

Using "tact" is not really a virtue Kirkland has. He's full speed ahead bombs away from the first bell without any regard for defense and proper punching technique.

He has next to no chance.

 

Yeah, good call. Kirkland will move and box like Cotto did. Totally reasonable.

 

mikE ::

 

I agree with most of this. I'm no Angulo fan either, at least in terms of believing he'll go very far. This fight is happening because his last fight drew 20,000 and Golden Boy and Dunkin (who manages Kirkland and co-manages Angulo) saw a way to cash out Kirkland. It's a TV-friendly matchup, so it wasn't very hard to get approved.

 

I will just have to disagree. I think predicting a 2 round KO win for Angulo is lunacy. It takes elite boxers 2-3 rounds just to figure out pressure opponents... and Angulo just ain't an elite boxer. Talented, yes. Elite? No.

Once this gets to round 6 or 7, it is a different story, and Kirkland may be spent. He breathes hard in round 2 for god's sake.

I made the mistake of overrating Angulo years ago on HBO's "up and comers night" with him, Gamboa, and Kirkland... but he has since proved to be a fighter who does not improve, and although good at many things, he is great at nothing. Angulo is not taking Kirkland out in 2 or 3 rounds. I would be shocked if that happened. Not stunned mind you, but shocked.

 

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Well, some good news for Kirkland. Judging by the weigh-in pics, Angulo looks a bit drained. Kirkland looks ripped, and in great shape. IF Kirkland can handle Angulo's power, this is gonna be a very interesting war. I still have my doubts his chin will hold up.

 

Though REED's Admittedly BIASED on this 1, he's Still TAKEN ABACK by just How FEW R Picking Kirkland to Win...

Yes, Angulo is (Slightly) More TECHNICALLY Sound than Kirkland is, as a Pro...Yes, Angulo's Beard has Held Up BETTER than Kirkland's has, Based on the Numbers...& For Certain, Alfredo Angulo is RIGHTFULLY FAVORED to Win...

But let's NOT Pretend that Angulo has Been Relatively ACTIVE or that he's the Least Bit UNHITTABLE...In Terms of Sheer VULNERABILITY, this is a 50-50 Fight to REED's Eye's...Whoever Hits & HURTS the Other 1st, is VERY Likely to Win...Why CAN'T Kirkland Be that Guy???...Regardless WHAT U Think of Kirkland's Power, he's 1 of the LAST Guys U Wanna Stand FLAT-FOOTED & SLUG w/, Which Angulo WILL Do...

LOGIC Favors Angulo, but STYLISTICALLY, this is an Even-Money Matchup...REED's Picking Kirkland, 4th Round KO...




REED:jaw:

 

Wouldnt be the most shocking result Brotha REED.

I'm pretty damn pumped for this fight. Theres gonna be fireworks no matter what.

 

If Kirkland decides to make it a 3 round fight, he probably increases his chances of winning. Not to 50/50, but perhaps 1/3. However, I suspect that Angulo's power + better accuracy will make Kirkland retreat and choose the slow death.

When you have 2 fighters who always come forward, generally one won't.

 

I don't think Kirkland will retreat. The guy lacks skills, defense, and chin, but he does NOT lack heart. He's gonna go to war with Angulo.

I'm thinking that more than likely this will be a replay of Rios-Antillion. With Kirkland of course, ending up like Antillion.

 

Yep. I agree totally on the complete disregard of Kirkland's chances. This isn't Kirkland vs. Ray Leonard or vs. a 154 pound Tito. This is Alfredo Angulo. Angulo should be favored, but by a small margin.

I still contend this is a very good matchup, and won't be a blowout in terms of one fighter dominating the other. It could end up a short fight ending in a KO for sure, but I don't see one fighter being so much better or worse than the other to make it anything other than a good fight for boxing fans.

 

Kirkland TKO5.

 

Maybe you guys will prove me wrong, I mean I guess the one argument in Kirkland's favour is that Angulo isn't great by any means, so he probably shouldn't be a LOCK to beat anyone.

And like I said, I've always liked Kirkland, very fun fighter to watch in an absurdly gung ho way.

But really, he's pretty awful at world level. I'm surprised he managed to beat Joel Julio to be honest. And he looks worse since coming out of prison.

After watching him get flattened in a round by lanky, non puncher Ishida, I can't see any other scenario than Angulo by early to mid KO. More likely early. Kirkland marches forward, is very hittable, and has no chin, basically.

Angulo isn't much at world level, but he can take a punch, and he can punch. And he's technically more adept than Kirkland.

I see no advantage Kirkland has apart from gung ho ness and aggression, oh and a slight edge in speed.

 

The only thing I can say is that Angulo will have his chin tested against a true puncher if nothing else. We'll learn about his chin tonight too.

But overall, I do feel that Angulo's superior technique, power, and chin will prove the difference here because I can't see Kirkland holding up against him. Not for long at least.

Angulo will have a field day with all the openings he's presented and I can't see him NOT taking advantage of them.

 

What time's this fight start around, american time an all that?

 

The broadcast will start in about 5 minutes....:cheer:

 

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