Angulo/Yorgey, Dawson/Johnson

I've got great eyes, in fact visuals is my business.

I'm a good judge of handspeed. Velocity wise, a young Calzaghe had faster hands without doubt.

The old, recent Calzaghe, velocity wise is similar to dawson, but can throw quicker combinations, therefore giving him the edge in handspeed.

Plus he just thinks and reacts quicker, making him an overall quicker fighter.

For all of Calzaghe's slapping, a lot of his opponents seem quite surprised at the power of his slaps, and several of them even said as much (I think kessler and jones).

Dirrell has very quick hands for a super middle, but in a direct comparison, definitely not the quickest in the sport.

And to the point, Slappy Joe would beat the shit out of Doorson :kidcool:

 

When you put it like that, thinking quicker, and working quicker, setting an unmatched rhythm, then yes, he's quicker than anybody I can think of, this is what made him a great fighter, a master-boxer on a 100 punch per round engine, that's very difficult to beat and it's why he's an all-time great.

 

An adaptable southpaw with fast hands, a good chin, and a crazy workrate is a nightmare for absolutely anyone, and a nightmare I don't think someone like Dawson is equipped to overcome.

 

To be fair, I think we should allow Chad some more fights before assessing how he'd go as of right now, because Calzaghe's career is over, we've seen him at the height of his prime, whereas I dont think Dawson has hit his mental prime yet, and that can only come with more experience.

 

Whilst I agree with you, I personally don't think as highly of Chad as some do, he is solid but not spectacular to me, although as you say he might prove to be something special in the future. However, if they had fought at the time when it was being suggested, after Calzaghe-RJ, I have no doubt Joe would have won that, and quite comfortably as well.

 

Agreed on all counts.

I can't understand why X is so high on Dawson, and has been for some time. In fact, I think he's the most overrated 'elite' fighter of the present day.

Every time I watch him, he is completely underwhelming.

MTF

 

1) Dark skin, 2) Undefeated record, 3) Handspeed, 4) Correct nationality.

:crafty: 1 more important to the next, and I think you'll establish a pretty consistant pattern with his noteable favourites. Whereas I get the race card pulled on me for Abdullaev (Eurasian) , Tszyu (Half Korean) , Margarito (Hispanic) and Taylor (Black).

 

Kauki, you never fail to make me laugh my friend...

MTF ::

 

I agree with my boys Slice and MTF.

I've been utterly underwhelmed every time I've seen Dawson. A solid fighter, no more.

Nothing about him screams elite fighter.

 

It's definitely a part of being quick.

Workrate aside, that's why Floyd is an overall quick fighter, and why some people even seem to think he is faster than Pacman. The truth is, going by pure velocity, Pacman is significantly quicker of hand AND foot than Floyd, but Floyd certainly thinks and reacts fast, making him an overall very quick fighter.

Of course it's no good thinking and reacting fast if you can only move or throw a punch as quick as Plasterito.

Calzaghe certainly had both attributes though, the thinking and reacting, and the physical speed to compliment it.

 

PBF has great reflexes. So did RJJ. PBF's fundamentals, without his reflexes, will not be enough when he gets older. Especially considering he's not a big puncher. When I get sad that I've been deprived of seeing PBF get KTFO because he won't fight anyone, I always take solace in knowing that:

a. he's dumb so he will unquestionably have to fight on much longer than he should
c. he's a gambler
b. as a result, I will have plenty of opportunities to watch him get KTFO, even if he's not in his prime

 

:nono: No Kauki, you get pulled the "Everybody I pick and promote to be the next ultimate warrior who will rise to the top P4P destroying all in their path, turns out to be quitters or cheating scumbags who where never nearly as good as I insisted, losing in the most embarrassing possible way (All by KO) before dissappearing for good from the scene" card. You got it mixed with the race card I think, but this is the one we pull on you.

 

He will lose because I think he'll take top challenges (Manny, Cotto, Mosley, etc) but he'll snatch some good victories too. Floyd's got quite better fundamentals than Roy so I can see him beating the young, bigger challenges and skills and smarts alone. He's not nearly as fast now as he was at 130 for example. A lot of people seem to forget it because he's still faster than most but he has declined in speed and reflexes already.

 

True, so many people here talk about Floyd as if it was the 130 pound Floyd, maybe they just recently watched him slapping Manfredy about or something I don't know.

All I do know is Floyd isn't half as quick now as he was at 130.

Certainly Floyd's speed hasn't lasted and transcended weight classes as has Roy's and Pacquiao's.

Also, although I prefer Roy by a mile, Floyd has much better fundamentals and skills, and is much craftier. A decline in athleticism is nowhere near as big a blow for Floyd as it was for Roy.

Although Pacman has certainly become more skilled and crafty, he's someone else who relies heavily on insane speed and power.

 

Exactly. I'll just add another point I've made before. Though Floyd gave up on speed as he went up, he got much stronger. Think on how Floyd would deal with a Castillo now, for example. Castillo was able to push and outmuscle the Lightweight Floyd but now he wouldn't be able to do shit. His strenght has been underrated from the beggining but it's impressive how Floyd has grown into each division to the point that most people forget he comes from 130. In fact that's where he has fought most of his career and he never struggled making weight until that last couple of fights (6 years in).

Pacquiao's skills have sharpened as well but like you said it's the insane way he has carried his speed and power to every division he has gone up (Like a videogame) that keeps him in the top.

 

Though i agree with many on last Saturday's night of fights were pretty beat. But I think I can honestly say the Angulo/Yorgey KO was a thing of beauty! My pick for "KO Of The Year".

 

If Chad Dawson is one of the best fighters in the world..OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS SPORT??????????????

Dawson fights like a rank amateur!!!

What an absolutely disgusting card.

 

Cloud looks like a beast of a contender, I'd like Chad to take him on next, but you know what?.. with the way boxing is these days, he's better off fighting Mosely at a catchweight, because if he beats Cloud, 'Unproven, who was he?' anudda mandahhhhtory :shit:,... Shane Mosely looks bedda on da resume p4p4p4p4p4p4p,.. if it works for Hopkins and Fraud so it should work for Chad, enforce the precedent, look down the weight classes and pick your prize.

 

Dawson is overated. I saw BJ Flores give him the beating of a lifetime in sparring. My boy who is a young LHW from Ukraine also worked him and was told not to come back by Chads trainers...they claimed he was too tall ::