Antonio Tarver: Eyes open or closed?

To me, Tarver hit Roy with a punch 10 times harder than the ones Johnson connected with. This tells me he didn't take enough time to heal from his concussion. He was layed out for 45 minutes, this is proof enough given that NO ONE has ever done that. GTFO with he never got hit bullshit. If he was chinny, Griffen would have killed him in the second fight. Revisionists history.....

 

:: he got hit clean on the ropes multiple times, look at his eye afterwards. His knockout percentage is deceiving because we know how LAZY tarver is......

 

dsimon writes:

:: :: riiiiight! Now there is a logical explanation:clap: :laughing:

 

Clearly unless you want to say you have seen a fighter laid out for 45 minutes and the punch he went down on GRAZED PART of his head :dunno: So Johnson is a bigger puncher?

 

Lemme ask this question. If Roy was so chinny how was he able to handle that massive right hand that landed flush on his chin from a full fledge heavyweight John Ruiz. The same right hand that put Kirk Johnson down and Holyfield. Please provide clarification.

Now me being a RJ nut hugger am I going to say Tarvers shot was a lucky shot. Fuk no. Tarver threw the punch it landed and the rest is history. However, I will say that Tarver ducked right into Roy's Rt hand. Roy then threw a weak ass left hook and he put his rt glove up to his cheek in the correct position to defend against the left. However Tarvers left came around Roy's glove and caught his ass with a bomb. And Roy dropped like a pile of bricks. However to Roy's credit he did manage to make it to his feet. Now about the Johnson KO. Everyone knows that Roy should not have been able to take that fight. Hell I from what I heard after a brutal KO one isn't supposed to spar for like 90 days. And that's when the fight took place. So that KO possible was a result of Tarvers KO punch.

Now for those that claim that Roy has always had a bad chin are way off. Either the dude has the best defense of all-time and is the most gifted boxer of all-time to have gone through like 15 years of professional boxing to have never been hit flush on the chin. Not to mention has anyone ever heard of Roy being ko'd or knocked down in sparring. Either his chin is pretty damn solid and he got caught with a bomb from Tarver that was perfectly placed and the Johnson fight should have never even happened that soon anyway. Which is it. Can't have it both ways. By the way how can you judge a cats chin at the end of his career. Do we hold all fighters to these standards or just Royu. I'll Holla 5000

 

That was my next example :clap: Oh wait, Ruiz doesn't hit hard.....yet Roy is chinny.......which is it? ::

 

dsimon writes:

Your other explanation actually seems logical compared to this one. :notallthere:

I don't think Tarver is a weak puncher. And Tarver has some size to him, I just don't think he was considered a particularly dangerous puncher prior to that fight with Roy.

 

Also, that wasn't a hard punch from Tarver.......yet it bruised Roy's cheek it connected so clean :dunno:

 

He wasn't, that's why he was lucky opcorn:

 

dsimon writes:

Johnson got to Roy by being persistent and tiring Roy out, exhausting him. But his punch put Roy down. Technically multiple punches got to Roy and his chin being what it is he went down because of it. When he couldn't beat Johnson with his abilities he could not sustain Johnson's punches... that is a fact. I don't know for certain that he wasn't injured for some reason and neither do you or does anyone else and you know that as well as I do.

Ockhams razor: The most plausible and simplest explanation being that Johnson got to Roy by battling him and Roy did not take the punishment and went down.

 

Occam's razor: Roy was still suffering from a concussion and was out for the longest time I seen someone since who? From a GRAZING punch. Never happened before, never happened since.....

 

dsimon writes;

Roy didn't get hit flush that often in his career and he certainly didn't get into many wars, if any. Ruiz is a weak ass puncher and again, when did Ruiz drill Roy solid? I saw that fight and I remember maybe one or two times Ruiz tapped Roy and not with a good shot.

Roy was a great defensive fighter Dog and this did prevent him from getting hit solidly. That is also a fact. Maybe being late in his career made his chin weaker, but I am willing to bet it was never great to begin with.

 

Please, he did no such thing.

 

dsimon writes:

Conveniently omitting the fact that Roy had been exhausted by Johnson and hit a few times before that grazing shot. Roy couldn't take it and the weakest thing on him gave out first baaaaaby!

I don't care whether the Tarver punch was lucky or not it exposed Roy's weakness.

 

Ruiz hit him real good in the first I believe, solid. Griffen hit Roy MANY times solid in their second fight. Toney hit him SOLID a few times when he traded with him at the end of the 5th round I believe. Roy took a shot from tarver clean in the third fight and the first. If Roy had no chin, he would have been out cold against these guys everytime :dunno:

 

Conveinently you are negatting him being out for 45 minutes on a punch that GRAZED him, unless you are saying he took a dive.....either way you are saying he took punishment or a dive, neither of which involves a weak chin.:nono:

I clearly see you are jaded by Roy baaaaaaby for whatever your reason. You cannot fight over 150 times and never get KO until you are in your mid thirties if you are chinny. Chinny it would have happened earlier and he would have fought with his hands up to avoid his weakness, regardless of him being superman and never getting hit

 

dsimon writes:

Look I know Roy Jones somehow in a professional boxing career on occasion had to take a punch or two, name a fighter who didn't. :doh: I don't know what you consider solid but I do know what we can agree is a KO because of a punch and it happened to Roy twice when two fighters uncharacteristically went after him and got to him.... Coincidence? me says no! ::

 

Yeah, he didn't get KO with a"weak chin".

Fighters have tried to go after him, he always made them pay for it. You act like Tarver and Johnson were the only people that pressed him and hit him ::

Coincidence he was laid out for 45 minutes on a grazing punch and never happened before prior to his concussion from his last fight? me says no! ::

 

Dsimon writes;

Tarver and Johnson's strategy was a departure from the way others had fought Jones and it continues to befuddle Jones. That is why he is Tarver's bitch now, despite the fact that he is 500 times the fighter Tarver will ever be. Roy knows it, that is why Tarver won the third fight...and why Roy was happy just not to get KTFU. Roy was one of the greats and is done. The book is out on him, that chin is a liabillity.

Roys legacy is secure and he was great enough to protect any vulnerabilites... which all fighters have.

 

Griffen hitting Roy flush with several shots, taking a flush shot from a heavyweight, getting up from a shot from Devalle, and Roy taking a shot in the third fight with Tarver and taking shots in the first fight means he is chinny? Brannon, Hopkins, and Sosa didn't try pressurring Roy? :notallthere:

 

Roy was ruined by a single punch...wasn't even a very big punch
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It was so weak, it briused his cheek. I'm sure anyone could take a shot they don't see coming. Science is silly.

 

but how many of them would turn into a pussy and never be the same again after being dropped by it
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How many people you know get KO for 45 minutes in a ring and doesn't phase them? I will be waiting for your list.....

 

Tarver KO'd him for 45min? last i checked he barely missed the count by a few seconds...and this flash knockdown made him gunshy forever



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....if a flash KD made him gunshy, then I guess you are talking about Devalle :notallthere:

Johnson and afterwards....still waiting.....

 

what are you talking about you teenybopper :nono:

are you arguing that Jones looked 100% against Johnson?? wasnt gunshy or tentative at all?? wasn't at all affected by his previous fight with Tarver?? if so, please phrase it in a complete sentence so i can put it in my sig:bears:
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Of course he was, he had a concussion, remember? If he was ruined by a flash KD teenybopper, then he was ruined after Devalle:nono: .

Are you saying you have a list of people who have a weak chin who never get caught until the end of their career after going to heavy and are not phased by KO? What are you saying?

 

Oh really?? I thought I saw Griffin on the floor and pretty much fucked up fighting a guy named Antonio Tarver. Ask Harding if tarver can bang

 

Tarver CAN bang, but he didn't take out Harding with one punch. He didn't even take out Griffin and he landed fucking everything on him. Like I said before; he messed fuck out of Chris Johnson...and Roy Jones. Thats it. Every other half decent fighter he's been in with, has either lasted the distance, or had to be thrashed half to death before submitting.

Jones? One punch.