Are The Klitschkos Taking Steroids Or Other PED's??

Have you checked their eyebrows?/ head-size?
-That's how yoy can tell...

 

:: So I heard, so I heard, its in the follicles, baby :laugh11:

 

Tradition......Ayn Rand was right about one small thing- tradition is a God whose unadulterated worship should be called into question at every opportunity. Just cos yesteryears guys did it doesn't mean they were right. Rocky ran, Ali ran, Mike Tyson ran, etc etc. Tradition for tradition's sake is always a bad thing. Concrete is not canvas. Running is not moving.

 

Just saying....Klitschkos have a sports-science background, something you feel may aid in taking gear, Larry Olumabimwo has a Pharmacy background, ditto but.....Larry does not win many fights. :: Sort of makes me wonder if taking gear is really the determining factor at all, especially when the guy beating you looks like 300lbs of dough.

 

I don't know if they're juicing but the fact Vitali was found to be using, intentional or not, means there is more evidence the Klitschkos juice than Amir Khan. In Khans case there is no evidence whatsoever.

 

Khan is deemed guilty because of an association. The reason the Khan rumours won't go away is because if they do go away, then the same people who are hounding Manny Pacquaio, via Alex Ariza, {JC Chavez Jr new "cutman" ::} will have to cease the "suspicion" of Pacquiao.

In the meantime, Floyd is making noises in the background about how Khan will have to take a drugs test. As you know yourself from the Twitter-sphere, those who shout longest and loudest are deemed to be the rightest. The mere fact that a retarded clown like Floyd says "Khan must take the tests" is enough for people to pile in on Khan.

Khan is probably taking something, as much to set his mind at ease as grant him any real physical advantage. His physical tools were already very well defined. His back is a bit spotty though, and I shall be watching his chranium and eye brows very very closely in the immediate future :nono: ::

 

I agree. Specificity makes much more sense to me so I agree with Steward's 'same shoes, same surface' comment very much.

I just never heard that the Klitschko's didn't run. However, it implies that they do run, just not the 30 days prior to a fight.

 

Contrarian attitude. Just looking for attention, I suspect.

 

Training camp is two months long, so even if 30 days all they didn't run, then thats half of camp. The same-surface argument makes a lot of sense, canvas is not concrete, after all.

 

It's banned because it can function as a masking agent for urine tests. Furosemide doesn't do anything you can't naturally do via water/sodium/carb manipulation. It's just quicker and easier, albeit a lot less safe.

 

My guess is he needed to drop a few pounds to make the weight and took it. I don't want to see him crucified for it, but he has to play by some sort of rules. At least take the test or have a good reason for not taking it. Right now, he seems to be doing what he wants, when he wants, which sort of gives the lie to Bud Rydell's assertion that Chavez Jr is low-key, small-fry. He's not. There;s a lot of $$$ invested there.

 

I think he should be crucified for it personally, his recent behavior was flagrant and the guy is a fraud besides. But he is protected and likely will get away with it.

 

Here's the thing...how much of what Chavez Jr is up to is being dictated by Chavez Jr? Probably none of it. Compare that to the KLitschkos, Holyfield, Roy Jones Junior, Fernando Vargas, etc etc. They wear, or wore, the pants in their own camp.

I rarely make this exception, and I am not fan of Chavez Jrg, but I'd say his father and others pull the strings. He doesn't seem to me to be too bright. Its no different to Khan- whatever is going on- if anything- its Shah and Golden Boy who make the decisions. Guys like Amir and JC Jr are under their fathers thumb. Both strike me as being very patriarchal families.

I have no real sympathy for them- BUT if the modus operandi across boxing seems or tends to lean towards, rather than against, the taking of PED's, then I'm not sure how wise it is to single out JC Junior, per se.

Why? Well...we got those bottles, the one I mixed, we got two high profile glove loading incidents, maybe three if you believe {as I do} that Margarito is a repeat offender, you got the general scams like the IBF scandal etc.....I'm just wary of piling in on a guy who likes to cut weight a bit drastically. Gatti didn't even make the weight for the Gamache scandal, which could have ended in tragedy. Lots of water, if you pardon the expression, has gone under the bridge before this.

 

The only time Vitaly was on roids was when he got caught.

Sounds good enough for me.:wack:

 

I done-said the very same - I don't think steroids are quite as impactful in boxing as other sports.

 

I agree 100%. How can drugs that permit you to train harder and longer, help you heal faster, help you punch harder and faster, react quicker, become stronger, increase your stamina, give you the psychological boost that you are as good physically as you possibly could be, and help you lose weight easier (among other characteristics) make that much of an impact in boxing?? It just doesn't make any sense why some are against PEDs.

 

Ah, OK.

 

First off- different drugs have different effects- specifically in their range- in different people. Both Klitschkos have noticeably different musculature. Vitali is considerably less well defined, less ripped, less striated. But both are brothers and thats pretty close in terms of the effect the given drug should have. Its not cast-iron, but its close.

 

exactly, the logic of some of these bozos is incomprehensible some time.

 

I didn't say they didn't have potential benefits, just that the benefits are necessarily less than in sports where strength gets mediated by fewer other qualities. Muscle gain isnt an unqualified benefit in boxing, especially below heavyweight.

 

you have a very narrow knowledge on steroid if you think it's only benefit is muscle gain. some product (anavar for example) can give great strenght boost without much muscle gain (if you don't want to gain muscle)