Arum and Warren to have discussions re Calzaghe-Pavlik at 168 in the fall

Jake, I sure hope you're right. I'm pretty sure Jones is willing to take less. He's pretty much stated this.

 

I thought Taylor looked strong at the higher weight, plus it was probably better for him to make the change in the corner.

 

I doubt it. Unless you think Jermain Taylor would do the same. I love Pavlik but he's not THAT good. Let's see how he does at 168 before talking about him stopping light heavies?

 

What does Taylor have to do with Pavlik's chances of knocking out Jones?

I'd give Pavlik a far greater chance of it than Taylor. Pavlik has the style and mentality of a puncher, that alone may be enough for Jones not to even want to fight him at this stage.::

 

Pavlik and Taylor are not on the same level. :nono:

 

I don't blame Roy for not making that particular fight. Calzaghe was quite the cunt at that time to.

I just don't think Roy should be taking these fights at all right now. I was never a Roy fan but he was an extremely smart businessman. He should be enjoying his money in retirement right now.

It's too late IMO for him to try and enhance his legacy now. His skills have slipped too far for him to come back. He might get the right opponent at the right time and pick up a trinket but it's meaningless now. He needs avoid anymore consussions while he still hopefully has most of his health.

 

Financially, no question it's the biggest fight for Joe (aside from maybe a Tito fight, dare I say it). I guess it's also as meaningful/-less beating today's version of Roy than it would be for Joe to beat any version of Pavlik above middleweight.

I really won't be upset if it's one or the other, to be honest.

 

This from the guy who had Tito-Jones a draw. :doh:

 

Like most great fighters, he doesn't agree.

Although I will say this - he's pretty consistent. When he was on top, he basically told fighters "take my deal or eff off." Now that the shoe is ont he other foot, he's willing to take short money and fly wherever.

 

I was trying to be nice to Roy. I actually had Tito up by 2, but the knockdowns were the difference ::

 

I'm a Jones Stan - this means the world to me ::

On a serious note, agreed. Except I think Calzaghe knocks Pavlik TFO and Jones beats both of them. No bias.

 

It was even

after four rounds

 

Really? You don't think so? Well if it happens, we'll see. Methinks there's a world of difference between Edison Miranda - or even Jermain Taylor - than a supremely conditioned, very, very strong Joe Calzaghe (who, BTW, has been fighting at a higher weight for years). And if Pavlik doesn't want to go back, he'll find out (like Kessler did) that it would be best for him to do what he doesn't want to. The hard-headed never learn.

Please, there are too many ways Calzaghe can beat this cat. Sh*t, he can just box too if he feels like it. He's got the better jaw and he's been taking punches from big men for years. Yep - I say he stops Pavlik, who looked a tad mediocre against a "I'm supposed to believe he's miraculously rejuvenated" Jermain Taylor.

 

I had it 3-1 for Tito. The HBO crew were disgraceful that evening. Tito was doing a number on that cat.

C

 

:: No bias.

 

;)

Are you implying I am?!?!?!?

 

Somehow I had a feeling you'd respond with something like this.

Jake, I didn't hear from Carlos for a long time after this fight - before getting some random voicemail with some joker on the other line talking about bad scoring.

 

No sir!

I, on the other hand, would take Calzaghe by decision over Jones and Pavlik by knockout. Unless Roy doesn't try to win either fight, which is possible. In that case, they both win 12-0. ::

 

Actually, I'm dead serious when I say Jones beats Calzaghe. And very confident in that pick. I love Roy but I refused to watch the first Tarver-Jones fight because I tabbed him to lose and didn't wanna see it happen. So I can be objective. And I really do think Calzaghe's style plays into Jones' strengths. I think Hopkins exposed some of it but his workrate is shot to sh*t. Jones won't have that problem.

 

This is coming from the same guy that thinks Roy Jones stayed on the canvas against Johnson for over 15 minutes because he was too embarassed to get up? :: :laughing:

 

When did Calzaghe become this physical beast? You keep bringing up "strength" when Calzaghe clearly has very little power.

 

Yes, that's exactly what I think. I had him winning at the time of the stoppage.

 

Like hell he doesn't. He's slapped all those opponents out, eh?

Calzaghe has VERY good power - ask Mikkel Kessler. Or the xx amount of opponents he's put to sleep. But, aside from that, he is a very strong fighter, physically - capable of maintaining the same workrate through 12 giving and taking. Plus, he's a natural super middle who struggled to make weight for years. Pavlik, strong in his own right, is a good 8lbs. behind.

I'm surprised anyone's even questioning his physical strength. You have to be exceptional in that department to do what he does and fight the way he fights.

 

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If he had VERY good power Jones wouldn't be lining up to fight him, IMO.

I don't quite understand the correlation between strength and workrate that you're making.

 

It's called stamina\endurance, not strength.

And even Jeff Lacy, who got hit with every punch in the book, lasted the distance. Calzaghe's strength is not strength.

 

Then I can't help you. Perhaps you should go back and watch some more Calzaghe fights, come back and explain how Pavlik is a stronger fighter. Maybe you can help ME understand.

Thanks.

 

You can't talk shit about Pavlik's recent comp. The lockett fight hasn't happened yet and nothing is set in stone regarding his next fight.

 

Well according to some here, Lacy's ruined for taking all that punishment. I'm not one of them - I never thought he was that good.

In any case, strength and power are two different things. And one thing Lacy would probably admit was that Calzaghe was stronger than anything he expected. You're not gonna bully him.

 

You brought strength into the discussion to begin with, so I'd prefer if you led on this one.

And again, what exactly does strength have to do with workrate?