Arum and Warren to have discussions re Calzaghe-Pavlik at 168 in the fall

There is a BIG difference between saying 'someone can still fight' and saying 'someone is still capable of beating an elite fighter'.

RJJ of seven years ago would have wiped Calzaghe out. Even Calzaghe himself has said so. But Jones is a pale shadow of even that fighter, and an even paler shadow of the guy who, when fighting at 168, was the best SMW there has ever been.

It is a testament to RJJ's excellence that , even in this depleted, aged state, he can still beat mediocre fighters like Hanshaw and Ajamu. But you seem to be understating the HUGE step up from these sort of guys and Joe Calzaghe.

Age has slowed Jones' reflexes to the point at which he can no longer really protect his chin. Irrespective of whether or not his chin really was suspect all along, it sure as hell is now. You're acting like those Jones' wipeouts never happened. They did, and they were decisive.

It's all well and good fighting ancient, inactive, blown up has-beens like Tito Trinidad, but that was a glorified exhibition match. A fight with Calzaghe would be for real- a real challenge against one of the best fighter's in the world right now. And those challenges are long, long past this version of RJJ.

Because of his superb handspeed if nothing more, Jones would probably last the full twelve if he fought Joe. But it would be an unpleasant, one-sided fight nonetheless.

A victory over Jones means very little at this stage, because Jones is miles and miles from being an elite fighter right now.

MTF

 

This would be a fucking cracker!

 

I'd pick Pavlik to stop Joe Crapsaggy and Roy could possibly too.. but Roy should just call it quits

 

So that means he knocks Roy Jones out?

He stands about as much a chance as Taylor is my point...actually, I give Taylor a better shot because he's faster and quicker on his feet. Doesn't make him any better than Pavlik but styles makes fights--Kelly Pavlik cannot beat no Roy Jones Jr.

Thankfully, his handlers aren't as dumb as some of you. That's why they watched the same 118-109 Jones-Tito fight we all did and opted to negotiate with the fat fukk instead of the winner.

 

Actually, I thought Kessler did very well in the middle rounds. But Calzaghe adjusted.

 

No, most of you guys are stuck in 2004. It's those who paid close attention to what transpired afterwards that make more sense. And anyone who saw Jones fight Tarver the third time realizes it was his balls, not his skills, missing in that fight. His subsequent fights show me that he has plenty left. Is he the same Jones? No. But, more importantly, he knows this. And has adjusted accordingly.

Guys on here are claiming Jones hasn't proven anything so he doesn't deserve a shot. They're partially right. Unfortunately, he can't prove it without a shot. And if Zab Judah, Shane Mosley, Arturo Gatti, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, Oscar De La Hoya and a slew of inferior fighters can get shot after shot after shot, then I think Roy Jones Jr. is equally deserving of facing Joe Calzaghe.

We'll see what happens if Calzaghe gives him one. But I guarantee, win or lose, you'll all feel differently about Jones after that. Really, I'm surprised at some of you. One-sided? Yeah right.

 

:bears: What else needs to be said. Roy WAS an elite fighter. Calzaghe IS an elite fighter. You do the math.

 

Whatever. You're speculating. Truth is, we won't know unless Calzaghe fights him. PERIOD.

Only one way to find out. Here's hoping Joe takes the fight.

 

You thought Kessler did well from rounds 5-8?

 

I thought REED was the biggest Roy nuthugger. I was mistaken. IMDAZED has him beat by miles.

 

It means he stands a much better chance of knocking Roy out than Taylor. Taylor would decision Roy, and Pavlik would KO him., because Pavlik is a harder puncher, Pavlik is more aggressive, Pavlik has long arms and throws accurate, well timed power punches. Taylor is jittery and messy, and nowhere near the offensive force that pavlik is.

Tarver is not particularly fast or quick on his feet is he? Neither is Glencoffe.

Please tell me you weren't impressed with Roy against Tito.

I picked Roy to KO Tito in 4 or 5 rounds, and was actually more impressed with Tito that he managed to not get blown out, land some bodyshots, and last the distance.

Prime Roy would have obliterated any version of Tito. And Hanshaw too, and Prince Jabba.

Roy is completely past it, he recognises this, most of his fans recognise this, most of his haters recognise this - why don't you?

 

When was the last time Taylor KO'd anyone?

 

The problem with RJJ is not what he doesn't bring into a fight, it's what he does bring. He brings his chin, and therein lies the problem.

 

Pavlik is bigger and longer than Taylor and he comes forward continuously...and he pushes his opponents back.

I think he'd make Jones back up and go to the ropes a lot and I think he would wear Jones down.

He made Pantera back up all night, partly because I don't think Miranda is very strong from the waist down...whereas that's where a lot of Pavlik's strenght lies.

Pavlik is slow, there's no doubt about that, but he's not averse to getting hit and his length allows him to catch opponents on the end of punches.

Jones' legs aren't what they were and he's timid these days (sometimes he forgets to bring his "balls" into the ring with him).

He doesn't want to get hit, because he knows what can happen.

He waits to punch, and that would hurt him badly against a fighter with Pavlik's style.

 

Mex,

Pavlik is slow of foot and is not quick by any means, shape or form. His style plays right into Roy's. Taylor being jittery is a plus - Tarver is similar. He is fast and fleet of foot. In other words, he's capable of landing the punch Kelly Pavlik CAN'T. And as Taylor showed a few months ago, Pavlik struggles when you don't stand in front of him. Roy Jones isn't Edison Miranda. Nor is he Jermain Taylor.

That is the exception, not the rule. Use your common sense - save for Glenn (who would stop Pavlik IMO), no fighter of that style has been successful against Roy. Actually, they usually get KTFO. Your Tarver comparison is just...horrible.

I picked Roy to stop him in six. But he didn't. I didn't anticipate Tito boxing either. If he fought like he always fought, maybe our picks come true. But Roy Jones being the aggressor is just not his strong suit. So he didn't stop him. Instead, he dropped him twice and swept the last seven rounds.

But he did. How were these performances any different from his one-sided decisions over Telesco, Del Valle, and every other fighter he went twelve rounds with in his prime? How was the Tito beatdown any worse than the one he gave another middleweight - Otis Grant? Seriously?

Thank you fans but it's the fighters that count. And they'll all tell you - from Hopkins to Calzaghe, that he's nowhere near done. And can you point out where Roy Jones recognized he was completely past it?

 

LOL. That's what they said BEFORE he got KTFO.

It was, "He's scared to get hit cuz he knows as soon as he gets caught, he's going down."

And you know what else they say now that they used to say before?

"All he fights are bums or used up fighters."

The only difference is 2004. But really, anyone with common sense can see based off Ajamu, Hanshaw & Tito that he can still fight. Or one of them would've put him away.

 

which turned out to be true

Bums - Hanshaw Ajamu
Used up - Tito

Why? Were Hanshaw and Ajamu supposed to KO Roy? Did anyone believe that Tito would carry his power to 170?, or that coming out of retirement again would prove advantageous to him?

 

makes no sense at all

 

I thought this was about Calzaghe vs Pavlik:dunno:

 

Such is life.

I mainly bumped it because the same thing happened in this thread as did in the thread you started.

 

When Calzaghe faces Pavlik it is going to be a question of how much Joe has slipped in the interim. If he is at what he was when he beat Hopkins then I say he takes Pavlik. If he slips much more from what he was vs Lacy then it gets closer to a pick em. If Pavlik has improved any and Joe has slipped beyond what he was at Hopkins then you have to favour the younger fighter.