Bernard Hopkins: Black Fighters, We Are Built Differently

I made a mix of all sorts of meats, vegetables and fruits, but this time,.. I added a wider assortment of berries and figs,.....I had once read, you feed them as much as they will eat per day,.. well,..they became addicted and turned into pigs,.. developing noticeably large 'chins' like frogs,.... now when I take the plate away after one frozen biscuitt, they tilt thier heads up licking the air,.. I know what this means,.. but stuff that,.. they're obese and need to be on a diet,.. when they flatten out in the sun they're the shape of tennis rackets.

 

Viva BLACK MAN!!!...



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I can't think of a better Uncle Tom in boxing, than Jermaine 'chickens and tractors' Taylor,.. if you think about it,.. his services to whitey were immense,.. First,....he beats a much loved and respected black supremecist twice in a row,..."Imma beat him again".. then he goes on to make a whole heap of white fighters appear better than they actually ever were. :crafty:

 

Indeed...Jermain Taylor: the "Great White Hope"....



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So Not Only Did Bernard LOSE to a "White Boy", he Also Managed to Lose TWICE to a Brother that COULDN'T Beat "White Boys"...No Wonder he's Soooooo BITTER & RACIAL Lately...

Calzaghe, Froch, Pavlik AND Abraham R All his Daddy, Either Directly or by Proxy...

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Well,... the bald arsed cracker is Hopkins white-bitch street fodder, one for the projects baby!, he sort it, and delivered, and Arabham well,.. he's mistakenly classified as a white fighter, he's as caucasian as Amir Khan, but I would place him in the middle-eastern category,...

ps:- Is that Teena Marie in your av mate? :crafty:

 

Indeed...


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:: :crafty: Subtle, subtle,.. that's one for the Irishman.

 

Money and Coaching.

 

I don't "buy" that shit. Pavlik isn't Bernard's Daddy by any definition.

Frazier isn't Foreman's daddy "by proxy".

 

:crafty: There's no need to read about them, when you already agree with Hopkins.

 

I definitely do not agree with him... he sounds like a fool

as do you and Sly

My point was that the topic of this thread is unimportant to me, but I sensed that some people were offering up a revisionist view of the 1968 Olympics, and THAT was the point I was interested in

 

One thing about a lot of the white heavyweights that fought in the 60's and 70's was that they were were all pretty much undersized compared to their black equivalents.

 

I see,.. individual traits regardless of race, determines the winner of fights ... that sounds stupid.

:crafty: ,.. What did you say a few months ago about the Klitschko's ?... I commended you for being honest at the time, you finally got it out of your system. It wasn't without sound effects though,.. "Ding! Ding! Ding! we have a winner!!!"....... :crafty: ,..(The Irishman does have his moments),..

 

anyone who has done any sport at a remotely high level knows black people are superior athletes.

faster, stronger, better reactions. sure there are exceptions...but not that many.

play pickup basketball with 5 white guys who take bball seriously and are fitness guys they might be decent. go to any hood in america and play at a local park, and get badly bbqed by 35 yr old black guys in corduroys. same goes for football, boxing, etc.

sad but true.

 

In America, most of our best athletes have been black Americans... this is an unshakeable truth that guys like you or Irish are so infuriated by... mostly, because neither of you live here and could count on one hand the amount of times you have actually met a black person, much less met a black American person... America dominated the bigger weight classes for decades upon decades... 98% of those guys were black american kids... the participation of our best black athletes in boxing has dwindled to basically its lowest point in 100 years, and voila! now there are no really notable black heavyweight fighters... doesnt take a rocket scientist to see a correlation... Im only speaking about Americans here... in America, if you have 200 of the fastest, most agile dudes you can find, then 198 of them are going to be black guys... there could 10 million reasons for it, there could be ten million reasons why it isnt necessarily true of Africans... I dont really know... the only thing I can speak to is the black folks here in this country... you grow up here, you play sports, you would understand but you didnt grow up here, you have a resentment of all things American (as does Irish) and lash out at anything you can...

In Kauki/Irish world, all people are exactly the same from a sporting point of view and all countries are equal

in reality, America is a gigantic country with a massive population which includes 40 million black folks... the largest majority of these are people who are the descendants of slaves, slaves who were sickeningly bred to be as strong as possible, fast as possible, etc.... whatever the need was... like dogs ... for some of those folks, those traits are still genetically strong... neither of you understand a thing about day to day life over here... every single school I went to growing up, the black kids made no more than maybe 10 percent of the total student body... the 5 or 10 fastest kids were ALL black kids... my high school had maybe 15 black kids, the schools in the city right next to the town I grew up in had maybe a 30 percent black student body, but not really that many more kids... our basketball team used to get ANNIHLATED 75-23, 86-19 by these schools, who despite the fact that they still had an overhelming euro-american population, always had a starting 5 of 4 black guys and one white dude with a bunch of white dudes on the bench... in football, it was the same thing... the schools that had more black kids would trounce my school's team every time out, it was like gazelles racing against tree sloths... in our two most physically demanding popular sports, football and basketball, the players are overwhelmingly black... its not even close... yet they are only a total of 40 million people out 310 million overall...

again, if you want to believe that doesnt mean anything, more power to you... but in reality, the average black american is generally going to be more athletically gifted than the average white american

 

How do we have white, Asian, and Hispanic champions in boxing in this present day?,.. it's a simple question,.. because if these people, of different races, are physically inferior,... they SHOULD NOT be champions, or anywhere near contenders,... and I'm not just talking about heavyweight, where conveniently,.. you allocate them all off to basketball or wherever you can,...you're up against all other races here, by declaring superiority of one, over all.

This, "Bred to be strong" .. could most easily apply to any warring tribe in the world aswell,.. like the Spartans in particular, examined newborns closely, killed any weak or defective baby, loathed cowards. Also, how did these african slaves, become slaves, how did they get into the position of being slaves?.... The master tribes, who defeated them in war, sold them off to Europeans and Arabs for profit, they hardly started off as the strongest of the strong. It makes no fucking difference,..your point, and Hopkins point, is a gross, simplistic generalisation,.. no entire race, can take credit, for the achievement of an individual,.. and I most certainly, could not pick who is going to win a fight, between two debut pro-fighters,.. based on thier race.

 

1) there's not all that many Americans of any color who are strawweight sized or flyweight sized or even lightweight sized, this includes the black folks here... just like there arent many 6'5 250 pound Argentinians

2) not declaring superiority over all... merely stating that in America, they ARE generally superior athletes to other Americans and since boxing used to be a major sport here, there used to be more participants than there are now

3) how they became slaves is totally irrelevant to this topic... It's relevant to you only because you feel that there isnt enough blame placed on their fellow Africans, a position that I never said fuck-all about...

4) German Sheperds didnt start off as German Sheperds either... OBVIOUSLY, they didnt all start off as strong... thats what breeding is for... you see two that are big and strong, you mate" them because they are more likely to have a strong child... this means more cotton gets picked, more wood gets chopped... it happens gradually over the generations... thats what BREEDING is... If my initial point had been "dey found a whole buncha real strong africans and den dey kept havin babies and shit", there might have been a point to you saying "they hardly started out as the strongest of the strong", but there is no point to it

5) My point is not the same as Hopkins point... linking the two is completely nonsensical

6) no such thing is being said... there is obviously more to the completed athletic endeavor than simply having good genes... a white fighter CAN be every bit as great as a black fighter, or vice versa... what the hell that has to do with having a greater likelihood of a genetic pre-disposition towards speed and agility (essentially, the only thing I'm even saying is reality here) is beyond me

7) utter madness... no such thing has ever been espoused by me at all

 

Ah, ok,.. I see what has happenned,.. initially you thought and still think I am infuriated by the speed and athleticism of black american athletes when it comes to domestic sports?,..Off the bat you went on a tangental accusation,...so I figured this had something to do, with my question of why different races of fighters are currently successful in thier divisions,..and that your reply, was essentially,.... "Because the cats are away" playing football or basketball or whatever,..therefore reflecting, as Bernard frequently declares, racial superiority, that goes against my initial point, that it is an individuals make-up, regardless of what race they are, that prevails in the boxing ring. :dunno:

 

Why was that Greek guy banned for saying Live on Radio what cdogg has just said here?

 

This is such a tired, stupid argument. Really.

 

I think where he got in trouble was where he started to go on about how there soon would be nothing left for whites to do in sports and that they have to TRY HARDER than blacks... his description of essentially the same basic premise about the history of American slaves was just worded in a way that made it seem a lot more insensitive... but there were people, black people, who defended him

 

no, that the individuals make-up is as much a part of it as their genetic gifts

and Im not saying you are infuriated by black americans... i ams aying you are infuriated by Americans, period.

I think where both you and Irish miss the message here is that you believe that my position is based on emotion or (even more absurd) some sort of nationalistic pride... I'm essentially one small step away from being a complete socialist, hardly a popular American point of view

 

Yes- a black man with the rather inspired name of Reggie White was one of them.

By the way, I don't give a fuck about black americans. What I give a fuck about are the white americans who try to tell me that the reason Vitali Klitschko has a title belt is to do with basketball or something.

Thats my beef. People who think Chuck Wepner was where it was at for Whitey. Idiots.

 

Well, it was a good year for Spaniards,.. first a team of them, become champions of the world, in the most popular sport on the planet,.. and then Sergio Martinez, with his superior handspeed that he isn't supposed to have, becomes the undisputed middleweight champion, and fighter of the year.

Spaniards,... DAYUM!!!,.. it's time to generalise BIG TIME,..

Coincidentally I was living in Spain when I was in high school,.. as quick as gazelles they were.................................................... :crafty:

 

In the NFL, 78% of the players are black americans... black americans make up 12.8% of the American population

In the NBA, 80% of the players are black americans... black Americans make up 12.8% of the population of America, nevermind the fact that the NBA has quite a few players from other countries

If we look at a list of heavyweight boxing champions, including even useless title belts like the early WBO belts , going from John L. Sullivan onwards (which basically includes, outside of Jack johnson's reign, long stretches where no black american was ever given a shot at the title) we still get this:

NBA/WBA (started in 1921) -- 40 different men have held the title at least one time... of those, 25 have been black americans ... that is 62.5% of all the WORLD CHAMPIONS having been culled from this tiny population segment that makes up just 12.8% of America's populace

WBC (Started in 1963) -- 21 different men have been this body's world champion at leats once... 15 of them have been black Americans (71.4%)

IBF (started in 1983) -- 13 different title hlders... 11 (84.6%) black americans

WBOgus (started 1989) -- 16 different title holders... 7 (43.7%) black americans

before all of these, you have John L. Sullivan through Jack Dempsey, where you have one black american champion, but I think only an insane historical revisionist would try to argue that it had anything to do with a lack of talented black fighters, and rather had something to do with a far more insidious cause

overall, combining all of the major sanctioning bodies, you have 90 title holders, and 60 of them (66.7%) have been culled from a population that ahs steadily been around 12% of the American population

those are some pretty remarkable numbers

furthermore, to bolster my argument that a massive participation drop is a huge part of the current lack of any serious black american heavyweights, I present to you the situation with baseball:

currently, black americans make up about 9.5% of the total of major league baseball players... baseball's popularity among African-Americans dropped dramatically starting in the 1980s and onward... in 1997, black Americans made up 17 percent of the total... in 1970 it was 23%... black americans simply are not playing baseball as much as they once did... the number of latinos playing has risen significantly, the number of whites has generally been steady, but has declined a little as more latinos have made it to the big league

you can bring up soccer if you'd like but it has no particular history of any racial dominance... there have been certain countries more successful than others, but race doesnt appear to be a big aspect of it... overwhelmingly white countries (Germany, Italy, France) have had huge success right along side countries with a large mix of different groups (Brazil, Argentina) ... the only thing that we could both sayof soccer is that very few black Americans have actually played it at all... but I betcha they'd be good at it if they participated in it at the rate that the people in those countries do

black americans have an extraordinary history of athletic excellence... every fact available supports it ... I dont know why this is so horrible for people to accept

 

At what point does a "Black American" become a "Bit White Black American"?? :dunno:

 

no one said that at all... but the simple fact that a black american is more likely to have that trait than a caucasian is a matter of fact... it doesnt mean a caucasian CAN'T have that trait

but I wouldnt expect you to be able to read what's actually there without simply inserting your own assumptions of my viewpoint onto it

 

Lots of Black people are really part caucasian.

 

to me, Black Americans in general probably have at least a tiny bit of white in them somewhere down the line... obviously, not everybody, but a lot do, even if it is 8 generations ago or whatever

I look at them as a separate ethnic group to, say, black people from Africa