Better left hook: Felix "Tito" Trinidad or Sugar Ray Leonard

If Leonard's hook was as good as Tito's, he would have had more ko's and fewer losses.

 

Maybe more KO's but i don't see how it would have affected his win/loss ratio.

 

Give it up already hno:

 

If a Jab is all it takes to beat Tito then why wasn't 42 other opponents successful at it? The notion that a Jab beats Tito is completely ridiculous. History has proven it takes a near flawless fight plan and great fighter to beat him.

 

That is just ridiculous.

 

A Tito left-hook, thrown to optimize the artificial heaviness of an illegal wrap, is one of the most devastating weapons in the history of boxing. Ask David Reid who had his hand up and still got hit with the baseball bat that was Trinidad's felony-hook.

 

Yeah but I think Trinidad would have beaten Quartey, Clottey, Jermain Taylor, and a few others and they had good jabs.

Every single slick boxer with a jab would not beat Tito.

A GREAT one would, I agree.

And Leonard is in that category.

 

Wright would've always, always beaten any version of Trinidad.

 

I agree.

Its just that sometimes it gets really exaggerated that ANYBODY with a jab beats Trinidad and that isn't the case.

Winky would have beaten Tito I agree even at 154, but I think a prime Trinidad would have been WAY MORE competitive than the one we saw in there against Winky.

 

Agreed

 

He might not have been old, but he was at least a few years removed from his peak. By no means am I suggesting Tito would beat Wright at 154 (say in 2000), but I think it would have been a real fight.

 

Wright was a much, much better fighter than the Jones Tito fought.

 

Wink's jab, D and possibly the fact that fighters often can't pull the trigger as well as they once could, especially when they're inactive and past their best.

Wright was brilliant vs. Trinidad, come on.

 

Looked to me like Wright figured out within a few rounds how to time Tito when he got set to punch, just like Hops did. He's pretty readable the way he sets his feet and Wright would just pop a jab or left and reset the program and put him off balance again then slide away to the side.

I think it's a pretty shallow analysis to just say 'ah well Tito didn't try'. Wright just totally shut him down and frustrated him. Tito also didn't have a clue what to do with his feet against a southpaw which compounded things for him. He let Wright pull him around the ring on a leash all night, this way and that.

Tito let his hands go plenty on the odd occasions Wright deigned to stand still and cover up. Usually he was sticking and moving, making tito trip over his feet though.

 

15 flurries in a row where you land nothing & look stupid is wont to make a fighter circumspect about letting their hands go, come round 6 or so.

steve_dave is also right that Tito's trigger finger had slowed a touch, which contributed to his general hopelessness in that fight.

I mean what's your point here Godfather? That tito wasn't trying? That it was a fix?

 

What do you mean by he wasn't inactive?

 

Yes he did, early. When he did he found he landed nothing, because Wright is good at shelling up. So of course as the fight went on he became more reticent to let them go at those times and tried to look for openings instead. Which you interpret as 'doing nothing'.

Again, whats your fucking point here, caller? That Tito wasn't trying? Watch the early rounds of that fight, he tried plenty, he was just systematically outclassed and didn't have the tools to even devise let alone execute a plan B.

 

Then everyone agrees! :: Why the shit are we arguing?:cheer:

 

Excellent :cheer:. Even though you are dead wrong about certain fighters, you know how to analyze the sport.