Biggest EUROPEAN Threat to a PRIME Roy Jones???...

such nonsense

 

Show me these threads where Lacy was being picked as cannon fodder to Joe? :dunno:

The shock and disgust in this place afterwards was a sight to behold. I actually re-registered to get involved.

 

Seriously

This cat doesn't even watch boxing

The only surprise about that fight is that Calzaghe couldn't even stop the guy

Jones was completely shot. Everybody who knows the game said so before the fight ever took place, everyone expected Calzaghe to win quite easily. These two guys are having a reacharound festival based on bullshit... One guy doesn't even like the sport and is interested solely because one of the combatants in question is a guido, and the other sees American faux conspiracies in his soup ...

 

Unless it is backed up with more than just speculation, what a fighter or a trainer says about how he would fare against a different fighter doesn't mean much.

For example, if Eubank had said "I don't fancy my chances against a prime Roy at all." [this means nothing] But if he had added "because I sparred several rounds with him and it wasn't pretty." Then you'd have something.

Of course, our resident know-it-alls who go 75% or worse on current matchups during monthly contests go 100% in their minds on mythical matchups and spout bullshit like 'no chance'.

 

Roy Jones was completely shot, this was something readily acknowledged by by everyone who watches boxing

It's funny... Even Slice N Dice, the biggest Calzaghe fan on the site, thinks Calzaghe's got no shot against a prime Roy Jones

 

Tony Ayala Jr sparred with somebody who may or may not have been Pipino Cuevas......

 

I think he's alright... He's better and more talented than Lacy

I expect Mayweather to win about 8-4

 

Incredibly, I won THREE separate sigbets on that fight against people who picked Roy. I couldn't believe it, frankly; he was so obviously shot as to be best placed in a cannon.

MTF

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/4716294.stm

Can Calzaghe beat Lacy?



TALE OF THE TAPE

Jeff Lacy and Joe Calzaghe

Lacy . . . . . . . .v . . . Calzaghe
USA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Wales
28 . . . . . . . . .Age . . . . . . . 33
5'9. . . . . . . .Height . . . . . 5'11
12st. . . . . . .Weight. . . . . 12st
74''. . . . . . . .Reach . . . . . .73''
Orthodox. . .Stance . . Southpaw
21(17)-0. . . Record. . . 40(31)-0


Listen to Calzaghe v Lacy on BBC Radio Wales from 0155 GMT on 5 March.

Wales' WBO super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe clashes with America's IBF title-holder Jeff Lacy in Manchester late on Saturday night.

Calzaghe and Lacy have a combined record of 61 wins from 61contests, so something will have to give at the MEN Arena.

For Calzaghe, it is a chance to prove wrong those who claim he has been over-protected.

For Lacy, it is the chance to prove he is the new force in the division.

BBC Sport asked the experts for their verdicts.



JAMES TONEY - former super middleweight world champion

Joe Calzaghe-Jeff Lacy is a mismatch. Lacy is going to destroy that boy. He's too strong, he's a fighter - he's proved himself.

Calzaghe never did anything. He beat Chris Eubank nine years ago, but what has he done since then? He's a joke, that's why he keeps pulling out of fights.

I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled out of this one. Everybody in the UK is over-protected, but Lacy will be OK, because he's a fighter.



RICHIE WOODHALL - former super middleweight world champion

My money's on Joe but I would have preferred this fight to have come five years sooner.

Joe's on home soil and, although it's great when the crowd's behind you, they can spur you on and force you into boxing the wrong style.

If he stands and fights with Lacy, Joe will come unstuck because Lacy's got a lot of power and is the best short-range fighter in the division.

But Joe will show intelligence and keep it mid-to-long range. I think he'll box cleverly on the back foot and win on points.



CARL FROCH - British & Commonwealth super middleweight champion

I think Calzaghe's left it a couple of years too late. Two years ago he would have beaten Lacy on points.

But he doesn't look as sharp and tough as he used to, and I think Lacy will get him out of there within the distance.

The last few fights Calzaghe's hit the deck a couple of times and that shows a bit of vulnerability.

I've got a feeling Calzaghe will make the mistake of being drawn into a fight, because he's a proud man. He'll come unstuck, because Lacy is a big puncher.



STEVE BUNCE - BBC Five Live boxing pundit

Calzaghe will win it. Lacy hasn't beaten anybody who's been anywhere near their best.

He's the American idol but he's really not that special. Hopefully Joe has enough left and has not left it too late for the big fight.



CLINTON WOODS - IBF light heavyweight champion

Calzaghe may have a few sticky moments early on if Lacy comes out banging but Joe is strong enough to deal with it.

I can then see him winning it late on and stopping Lacy, maybe in the eighth or ninth round.

I hope he does it, it's great for us British fighters to show the Amercians what we can do.



FRANK MALONEY - Boxing promoter

It will be a tough fight for Joe and I can see it being very close.

It could go to points but I think having that crowd behind him in Manchester will play a big factor and give him the edge.

 

STEVE BUNCE - BBC Five Live boxing pundit

Calzaghe will win it. Lacy hasn't beaten anybody who's been anywhere near their best.

He's the American idol but he's really not that special. Hopefully Joe has enough left and has not left it too late for the big fight.
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No wonder why Irish admires this moron so much

 

No, I don't. I said he knew a lot about boxing and had been to a lot of fights, but he's sort of an English Max Kellerman now.

 

"WHat a Guy That Joe Calzaghe Is"

 

Jones was a phenom, one of my favourite fighters. You're right that no, I don't think Calzaghe would have a shot at beating a prime Jones, however I do think he gives Roy a more competitive fight than people think. He wasn't just a face-forward pressure fighter, he had craft and knew how to use angles.

 

What absolute pish. Here's one example taken from a google search:

http://www.boxingscene.com/boxingscene-staff-predictions-jeff-lacy-vs-joe-calzaghe--3266

Some choice comments:

* "Jeff Lacy is like an animal in the ring and he is hungry to add another title. Lacy KO8"
* "Lacy will see this as an opportunity to cross into the threshold of greatness. He'll not be considered great by winning this fight but it will be the start of how his career is discussed in ten years time. Lacy late TKO"
* "It's the best match at 168 right now. Lacy is one of the best young titlists in boxing right now...his promotor is right to call him a mini-Mike Tyson"
* "Short and sweet. I've never believed that Joe Calzaghe could stand up to the awesome power of Jeff Lacy. I expect Lacy to rain down a torrent of uppercuts and left hooks and demolish him. I don't see it going beyond round 9".
* Lacy will overwhelm Calzaghe en route to a second round TKO"
* "This is a difficult one for me to predict; Lacy is a ball of granite, an irresistible force with huge power in either hand, the better chin...and is just a real talent."
* "Unless the boxing world is turned upside down, I expect Jeff Lacy to roll right through Calzaghe. This is Lacy time."
* "Lacy looks ripped, ravenous and ready to go. This reminds me of Hagler v Minter all those years ago. Jeff is as awesome as they come at this weight. It won't go more than four rounds. Lets hope the Manchester crowd are sporting when this happens"

That is a SELECTION. There are fucking loads more gems to be had. To claim that no-one thought Lacy a good fighter is absolute revisionist horseshit.

MTF

 

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Sometimes late at night, I feel like a big animal in a small cage

 

Yeah, so Lacy was a hype job, we all agree.

 

And around and around.

Lacy was good = people thought he was good = hype.

It's like watching the trial of the guys involved in Valkyrie. Judge will say anything.

 

Do you agree with Doggy that no-one thought Lacy any good before the Calzaghe fight? And how does that sit with claims he was a 'hype job'? Hard to be a hype job if no-one thought you any good?

MTF

 

Judge: Why did you try to kill Adolf

Dude: He is a bad man.

Judge: AHA so you DID try to kill him!!!!!! I HAVE CAUGHT YOU OUT!!! I AM SO SMART!!!

 

I think there is some rule that you can change your mind in the last 10 seconds of the fight, just like Fatty Shaw...."I tried to pull him out"....yeah you did, with 10 seconds left.

"I always knew he was shit........especially by the 10th". :shit:

 

interesting as alot of these fighters feel Calzaghe was past his prime as far back as his fight with lacy

According to the forums boxing experts like CDogg...Calzaghe was in his prime when he came over to the USA for his retirement Tour

 

SO a past his prime Joe beat Lacy!!! Is that what I am hearing??? James Toney doesn't know a good fighter when he sees one? Jimmy must have had the racism goggles on that night, pulled a Hopkins against his better judgment.

 

Depends what he meant by no one.

 

He's a maniac maniac on the floor and he's semantics-a-sizing like he never did before. :mj:

 

The fact is loads of people thought Lacy was good. Didn't like, most people favour him to beat Joe?

The point is, those people were completely wrong. Lacy is crap at world level.

 

It's a pretty explicit phrase. I can't see a lot of ambiguity in the term 'no-one'. It usually means, well, no-one.

MTF

 

No one who knows anything about boxing thought Lacy was that good... like Neil said, a lot of people picked him because Calzaghe had looked like dogshit against guys even worse than him... How many of the Brits picked "Calzaghe 12-0, Lacy can't fight"?

I figured Lacy could get a decision because Calzaghe had hardly distinguished himself against similar guys

 

it is settled then...in his retirement send off fight... a past his prime Joe Calzaghe pimp slapped the hell of a shot Roy Jones Jr.

and before that a past his prime Joe Calzaghe defeated which version of Benard Hopkins?...we will leave that up to guys here

 

When I say "no-one", I am referring to people who know boxing, not teenyboppers who talk of "like a ferocious animal!" and "steppingstone to GREATNESS!" about guys who decision Omar Sheika

I could find you 500 quotes of idiots picking "TYSON KO3" over Lewis... the people who know the game knew that fight was a mismatch going in

I wish I could find my posts for that fight... I figured a close decision for Lacy, mainly because I didn't think highly of Calzaghe at all and figured he might have grown fat off of fighting bums

 

What, like a great big bunch of writers at Boxing Scene? And look at the comments; it isn't "Calzaghe will lose because he is shit" it is 'It's Lacy Time' and 'He is on the path to greatness' and other such shite.

Look, it;s okay to hate Calzaghe. He's a boring, coke-fiend cowardly shithouse. I spent years calling him a cunt because, well, he is one. But you cannot come out with daft statements like 'no-one thought Lacy was any good'; loads of people are on record as saying he was the next great thing.

MTF