Boxing Fans to STOP & SMELL the Roses Sometimes...

I don't like Floyd but as a rule I'm not a huge fan of braggart sportsmen. However, he is quite clearly the best in the sport at this time. His skills are undeniable and his competition lately has been very good.

I really hope he fights someone other than ODH. I'd love to see him fight Cotto or even Mosely.

 

Jesus wept brother REED, you still don't get it, do you?

As I'm almost CERTAIN that this thread is in response to numerous other posts you and I have exchanged in other threads, I'll kindly offer my response. Again.

For the trillionth time, Mayweather is, unquestionably, a fantastically talented boxer. This is not even an issue for me. He is the P4P best right now by a long, LONG way and IMO only Cotto has any kind of shot of beating him at either 140 or 147.

As for his personality, well, he comes across as an abrasive SOB, but I don't know him personally and so can't comment. There is no was of knowing what he is like as a person unless you know him. I don't, and so won't care to speculate.

His fight with Baldomir WAS a very important one. It established him as the linear Welterweight champion, and he did so without breaking sweat.

HOWEVER, I take issue with your comments about De la Hoya and Hatton, and I have made my reasons clear to you on a number of occasions. To briefly reiterate what others have said in this thread, neither of these fights had ANYTHING to do with 'history' or 'glory'. They were MONEY fights. Of this there can be no doubt. It's his friggin self-awarded nickname, FFS!

Honestly, why else would Floyd fight a part-time boxer/promoter and a light-welterweight champion instead of any of the WELTERWEIGHTS (he is the linear champ, after all) he SHOULD have been fighting to completely clear out the most loaded division in boxing right now.

I'll ask you again- would the Hatton fight have happened without the fanbase/$$$ Hatton brought to the table? Would the De la Hoya fight have happened without the same and ODLH promotional capabilities?

Of course they wouldn't.

Now, I'M NOT SAYING THAT MAYWEATHER IS SCARED OF ANY OF THE OTHER WELTERS, nor have I ever said this. In this sense, I do not think that he is 'ducking' anyone. Nor do I think he has reason to- he'd beat all of them bar Cotto pretty easily IMO. HOWEVER, the best way to prove me, and all of the naysayers wrong, surely, is to get in there and fight these guys. Or at the very least, he should be looking to fight Miguel Cotto.

But he isn't. The talk is of a ODLH rematch or a Hatton rematch. More MONEY fights. And, hey, that's fine. It's the pro game, and the aim for many is to make as much money as possible. I understand why a man would do this- hell, I probably would if I was in his position.

But you can't possibly not expect to have detractors when you choose to operate like this, especially when you are laying claims to all time greatness and when the division in which YOU are the champion has a whole bunch of live opponents for you to clean out.

Floyd had the choice of cleaning out a very talented division and carve a distinguished niche in boxing history. Instead, he chose instead to make as much money as possible by jumping weights and fighting 'names'.

And for the LAST time- if he fights and beats Cotto, I will join the Mayweather bandwagon myself. This is not a 'hate' issue- these are genuine criticisms laid by an impartial boxing fan who prefers his fighters to win titles/unify divisions/clean out main threats and rivals than those who choose to make the most wedge in their career. This is my preference and I stick by it.

Your defensiveness on this matter REED is, IMO, wholly unnecessary.

MTF

 

HOW was the Hatton Fight "a Joke"???:dunno: ...

Lb 4 Lb, Hatton was Ranked HIGHER than ANY Welterweight Floyd Could have Faced...MORESO, there's NO Size Advantage btwn Floyd & Hatton...

Of Course it'd B Different w/DeLa, Cause he's a Freaking SUPER Welterweight...

As for the Retirement Talk, MOST Boxers AVERAGE about 2.5 Retirements EACH...Not Sure WHY U'd B Surprised that Floyd Reneged on his...


REED

 

Is Floyd's next fight already a lock to be against Oscar? I've read Oscar is fighting Forbes (I think) and then Mayweather next.

Does that mean Floyd is doing nothing until the rematch?

 

Because N the Case of Floyd it HAS Been Proven...

Apparently U MISSED the Part where Fans BITCHED about Floyd NOT Facing the "Real" Jr Welter Champ, THEN Bitching about Floyd NOT Facing the "Real" Welter Champ???:dunno: ..

Well Guess What???...Floyd RECTIFIED that N a Span of 3 Fights, yet Peeps R STILL BITCHING about it...Which Takes Us BACK to REED's Quote @ the Beginning of your Post...

After the Bernard Fight, DeLa REDEEMED Himself a Good Bit vs. Mayorga (N a BIG EVENT), @ a BETTER Weight for him than the Bernard Fight...THEN he Faced Floyd...w/Out the Mayorga Fight, there's NOfuckingWAY Floyd-DeLa would have Done as Much Business as it Did:nono: ...But Thanks for TOTALLY IGNORING that Bout

SPIN it as U Wish, but Hatton Got the VERDICT vs. Collazo & he DID DROP him N that Fight...Hatton was STILL UNDEFEATED, STILL Highly Ranked Lb 4 Lb & REDEEMED HIMSELF a Good Bit vs Castillo, PRIOR to Facing Floyd...But Again, THANKS for TOTALLY IGNORING that Bout...

The Bouts WERE Money Makers, but there's NO QUESTION that Floyd-DeLa, Floyd-Hatton were MEANINGFUL(Particularly the Hatton Fight)...If U CAN'T Even Bring YOURSELF to ACKNOWLEDGE that Point, there's Really NATHAN Else to Discuss...


REED

 

Boxing fans to stop and smell roses sometimes.

Everybody bitches about heavyweight division. Yet, we have a very talented "leading" champion and two other undefeated major titlists. Among the top challengers there is an unbeaten Olympic champ, a Nigerian KO artist, comebacking gex-champ with almost 50 wins among numerous others. The division is as good as ever, it is just that people are so negative.

(ie. picking your words carefully you can make everything sound good. Or bad)

 

UNLIKE DeLa, Floyd Spent SEVERAL YEARS @ 130...Floyd GAVE AWAY Size to Guys like Genaro & Chico @ 130...

Floyd GAVE AWAY Size to Guys like Castillo @ 135...Floyd GAVE AWAY Size to Baldomir @ 147 & DeLa @ 154...

Until he Fought @ WELTERWEIGHT, DeLa NEVER 1nce GAVE AWAY Size...He was a HUGE Guy Killing his Body to Make Lower Weights to Garner Titles...That's PRECISELY Why DeLa Got DROPPED @ 130 Despite having a STELLAR Chin @ More Natural Weights...

& YES, Sweet Pea was a SMALLER MAN than DeLa...He was Half a Foot SHORTER & a Natural LIGHTWEIGHT...

Not Really Sure how Floyd is "Doing the Same Thing Dela was Criticized For"...


REED

 

TOTALLY agREED...

REED:clap:

 

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U Noticed that Too, Huh???


REED:cheer:

 

Could you name 3-4 fighters this mighty KO artist has KOed in his last 5-6 bouts?
Thanks.

 

& REED'll B RIGHT THERE w/U...


REED

 

U have No Need for Disguises...

Get a ROOM, Bring your Floyd Compilation DVD, LOCK the Door & Feel FREE to Beat your Meat...


REED::

 

it's funny that the Hatton Dick suckers like to go on and on about how the hatton fight didn't mean anything and that HAtton is not a welter..:: same guys thought there was NOOOOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAAAY Floyd could handle Hatton's RELENTLESS PRESSURE and HAtton was TOO STRONG::

first he was too strong and too much pressure.. then he gets KTFO and now it's "Hatton is too small":: :: :doh: ::

 

But HOW does the Fact that Floyd Made BIG Money Off of Hatton & DeLa DIMINISH how MEANINGFUL those Fights were???...

Whatever his Motivation for Facing them was, Floyd DID FACE THEM...

Hatton was a "Name" who Floyd had Been Criticized for YEARS for NOT Facing...& if he had Retired w/Out EVER Facing him, Hatton's Name would FOREVER B Amongst the 1st Thrown N Floyd's Face...

But Now that Floyd HAS Faced him, People wanna MINIMIZE the Importance of it???...Can't have it BOTH Ways:nono: ...


REED

 

excatly....

these Hatton dick riders are flip floppers

 

Personally, REED is ENJOYING Wlad's Reign...The Rest of the Division BLOWS, but Wlad is DOMINATING it...

REED will Always "Stop & Smell" DOMINANCE...


REED

 

By the Way, this Thread REALLY ISN'T about Floyd Mayweather:nono: , he's just an Example of What REED is Talking about...

Juan Diaz is Another Example...

REED Thought he was an Amatuerish, PROTECTED Fighter...But Since he Started Stepping it Up & UNIFYING Titles N Impressive Fashion, REED has Grown to APPRECIATE the Cat...

REED used to BITCH about Juan, Now REED has Taken the Time to STOP & SMELL the Roses...


REED

 

Was he rated higher than Cotto? :dunno:

 

I was one of the dolts that picked Hatton and kinda diminished Floyd's win after the fact. First of all, I did not pick Hatton because he was a better fighter in my eyes, I picked him because I was hoping he'd beat Floyd, a fighter I don't like. Bad pick, done with my heart, not a better's pick at all.

With that said, I think this fight is one of Floyd's best win, a domination against a PFP fighter, even if the guy's a division lighter, is highly important in the business. It reallly proved Floyd's PFP Champ status, whatever it means. The only thing I disagreed with, and I still disagree with that, is that this fight was cementing Floyd's claim as being the #1 WW in the world. Anyway, he was already the #1 WW in the world but this fight didn't give him a free pass from facing the top fighters in this division. And until he beats the number 1 threat at this weight, namelly Miguel Cotto, people will always have something to bitch about. That comes with being the best fighter in the world, standards are higher for these guys. Add the fact that Floyd is one of the most disliked fighter and you have the perfect recipe for non-stop bitching. Even when or if he beats Cotto (or whoever wins the Margarito-Cotto matchup) people will find something to bitch about, and knowing my love story with Floyd, I guess I'll probably be one of them... Feel free to bring back this post when it happens, I'll quickly shut my mouth up. ::

 

Yes, in most lists.

 

I said that Mayweather would probably counter Hatton to death as he came in, but that I HOPED his pressure would be enough to win the fight. Ultimately, my head was right and my heart was wrong.

Big deal... :dunno:

 

REED Thinks Hatton was, but Isn't 100% Certain...

REED Would Rate Cotto Higher than Hatton TODAY, but Until Cotto Beat Sugar Shane AND Floyd Beat Hatton, REED Wouldn't have...


REED

 

It matters because it was his ONLY motivation for fighting them. You are trying to say that it wasn't, but there can be no doubt that it was. :nono:

The De la Hoya fight was of very questionable relevance BEYOND money, because ODLH is old and only comes out of retirement every once in a blue moon when it suits his pocket. A win over De la Hoya is not exactly meaningless, per se, but THIS version of ODLH is far removed from a PRIME ODLH.

The win over Hatton was much more meaningful, but HINDSIGHT has shown that Hatton's struggle with Collazo was no fluke for lack of preparation as many had thought. He just isn't a great welterweight. It would be foolish and nonsensical for people to claim otherwise. This isn't a degeneration of Mayweather, but rather a criticism of a failing on HATTON'S part- namely that he is only effective at one weight.

Sure people picked Hatton before the fight and thought, fully prepared, he had a chance. He didn't. He isn't good enough. This is proven FACT. Who now would pick Hatton against Cotto/Wiliams/Cintron/Clottey/Quintana/Margarito? I wouldn't.

Also, who was criticizing Floyd for not fighting Hatton? I sure the hell wasn't.

I always wanted Mayweather to fight Cotto. Frankly, beyond that, I couldn't give a fuck who he fights. I sure ain't clambering for him to fight anyone else. But whilst he chooses paydays over Cotto, I don't see why he should receive some kind of unadulterated homage from me... :dunno:

 

This sums things up perfectly IMO :clap:

 

I think Floyd is not really a welter and should campaign at 140

 

...where he'll be able to NOT fight Cotto. Still.

Hurrah! :doh:

 

well.. I would like the Cotto fight and I'd pick Floyd to win

but.. Floyd is not a real welter.. I think Hatton is more of a welter than Floyd

Maybe Floyd shoudl fight Witter and Hatton should fight cotto

 

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

it is true:dunno:

 

Sorry I never thought Hatton the midget was going to be a good win for Floyd, In fact I said he was fighting a blown up over hyped Euro midget bum, over and over. Bumdimir was never uttered as a legit anything out of these fingers, so I'll leave the masturbatory typing in your hands ::