Boxing prior to 1960s SUCKED

White privilege. :crafty:

 

We haven't established anything and it's now about 50 pages into. Not one of you 1981 fucks has put forth a way to compare it...except your most recent post of p4p guys which I am responding to.

 

Go find where I said 2011 is better.

 

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Hey...you are chipping away at it...50 pages deep and you have added 4 more names to the 1981 list.

 

I wonder if this type of discussion will continue in 20 years time?

2011-2031.....

 

Employee, no being a bitch to new members. :nono:You could learn something. ::

 

Nope, it's not Hanz.

 

where did i say i ignored the content of the video? you make too many foolish assumptions.

 

its that fag zurita's old jew pal

 

you too often only comment on what is bad about something

 

Its a Wonderful Life.:egypt:

 

You be nice too, Neil. I'm surprised you have an issue with him...Ringo I mean.

As for Rebel, I can see why you're pissed as he did ban you after Kimba mutually stirred shit with you and then hid behind Rebel's skirt. Then again, I'm sure there are people still pissed with me for turfing them from SecondsOut back when I was in university.

 

It's Hanz, and he bought Buddy off with some Pizza.

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This is still stupid because the more intriguing discussion would be about the depth of boxing...but if we look at just the top...

Imagine if the 1981 guys all died in a plane crash on Jan. 1, 1981. There is no benefit of knowing how they will turn out historically because that's exactly where we are with today's fighters so it's only fair...I know you stupid fuckers won't follow the rules, and I feel like I'm trying to get dogs to speak English, but hopefully others who have sat out this stupid debate can play it straight...

1 - Thomas Hearns 30-0 (28) WBA W champ, 1 defense
Best wins...blowouts of 27-6 Pipino Cuevas, 15-0 Luis primera
Losses...none
Pros...unstoppable so far
negs...2 quality wins over 30 fights...

2 - Sugar Ray Leonard WBC W champ, 0 defenses of current reign
Best wins...avenged only loss to lightweight Duran in comical fashion making Duran quit like a bitch in a competive fight, by clowing him and showing off
Best wins...71-1 Duran, probably the greatest Lightweight of all time, but we are talking welterweight
38-0-1 Wilfred Benitez...superb win...phenom beats phenom
quite thin after those two wins
Losses...tried to beat a great lightweight at Duran's own game...very close, very competitive fight, but it's still a loss to a lightweight, albeit a great one
Pros...great am career, still young, avenged his only loss
negs...lost to a lightweight, 2 great wins, but then it gets thin fast

3 - Marvin Hagler, 50-2-2, WBA/WBC M champ, 0 defenses
Best wins...wins M title on 2nd try by cutting 38-6 Alan Minter who was coming off of 2 wins over Antuofermo who Hagler had recently drawn with.
Other quality wins over guys like Seales x2, Briscoe, a couple other guys with good records who I don't know like 29-0 Baldwin and 22-0 Colbert
Losses...decision losses to tough contender types i.e. 26-3 Boogaloo Watts, 32-3-1 Willie Monroe
Other...a draw with Seales, draw with Antuofermo in first attempt at middleweight title

4 - Larry Holmes, 36-0, WBC H champ, 8 defenses, inc a claim at the WBA lineage by beating Ali in his last fight
Best wins...winning title in epic battle with 40-4 Ken Norton via SD, not much otherwise, but credit for dominating Ali
Losses....none
Pros...No slipups in dominating decent challengers, great jab, excellent right
Cons...used to be a sparring partner for Ali, Norton is a fairly weak 'best win'

5 - Alexis Arguello, 65-5, WBC JL champ w 8 defenses, previously WBA Fe champ with 4 defenses
Best wins...ko 13 77-4-1 Ruben Olivares, KO 5 18-0 Royal Kobayashi, ko 13 40-7-2 Alfredo Escalera, ko 13 42-9-2 Alfredo Escalera, ko 11 43-8-2 Bazooka Limon, KO 7 42-4-1 Bobby Chacon, ko11 46-0 Ruben Castillo, ko 5 34-6-3 Rolando Navarrette, ko 8 27-1 Cornelius Boza Edwards, SW10 67-2 Jose Luis Ramirez
Losses...ko 4 and sd6 when 17 years old, tko 6 6-4 Jorge Reyes, L15 39-4-2 Ernesto Marcel for 1st shot at WBA Fe title 6+ years ago, Majority Loss 10 to 22-6-2 Villomar Fernandez a couple of years ago
Pros...Great style, excellent technique, excellent power
Cons...5 losses to nobody too great, but 3 were long, long ago...

6 - Wilfredo Gomez - 31-0-1 (31), WBC JFe with 13 defenses
Wins...Classic ko5 over 52-0 (51) WBC B champ Carlos Zarate, ko5 40-1 Nicky Perez
Losses...none. Draw in 1st pro fight
Pros...Great record, great champ
Cons...the resume is sort of thin, especially for 13 defenses, but it's impressive nonetheless

7 - Eddie Mustafa Muhammad 37-4-1 - WBA LH with 2 defenses
Wins TKO11 24-3 Marvin Johnson to win belt, tko10 19-1 Jerry Martin, tko 3 34-0-2 Koopmans, SW 13-2-1 MSM
Losses L10 15-1 Radames Cabrera, SL10 51-14-2 Bennie Briscoe, L15 47-6-4 Victor Galindez for first shot at WBA LH title, L12 12-0-1 inmate James Scott
Pros...Fun to watch
Cons...overrated tough guy, imo. Doubt he belongs on a p4p list, Guessing American bias here

8 - Matt Saad Muhammmad, 28-3-2 WBC LH with 5 defenses
Wins...several quality wins
Losses...L6 1-0 McGee, ML10 16-1 Marvin Camel, SL10 20-2-1 EMM
Draw 6 2-1 McGee II, Draw 10 15-1 Matt Parlov
Pros...In very tough coming up, 15 fight winning streak, won FOY last year vs Yaqui Lopez, fun to watch, better credentials than EMM on paper
Cons...another overrated tough guy, imo, but solid resume

9 - Wilfred Benitez - 40-1-1 no title, former WBA JW (2 def), former WBC W (2 def)
Wins...SW 15 74-9-3 Antonio Cervantes (to become youngest beltholder), SW10 and MW10 over 14-0, 15-1 Bruce Curry, SW15 27-1-3 Carlos Palomino, W10 50-4-2 Pete Ranzany
Losses...TKO 15 Ray Leonard
Other...some close calls, Draw 10 to 22-6-4 Harold Weston
Pros...defensive expert, phenom youngster
Cons...Obviously not an ass-kicker

10 - Roberto Duran - Fuck Duran

10b -Aaron Pryor - 27-0 (25) - WBA JW with 1 defense
Wins... tko 10 17-1-2 Leonidas Asprilla, ko4 87-10-3 Antonio Cervantes to win title
Losses...none
Pros....whirlwind with endless stamina, gets the ko almost every time
Cons...resume is thin
Pretty record, fun to watch, relentless, underrated on this list, but thin resume counts against him

 

If it does, I guarantee that 2011 will dominate. Boxing will suck so bad by 2031 that 1981 6th grade girls could win titles because no one will know how to fight by that time

 

I shouldn't have said skirt. I'm fine with Rebel now regardless of all that shameless dicksucking he did on the part of Chi-Town Slugger/Diesel/Flex Fartsmell. Rebs is fine by me.

 

i have no issues with him.

 

i commented on something that amused me. you chose to interpret that a certain way.

 

Oh, ok. Cool. I thought perhaps I had missed something. It's too bad you weren't allowed to continue with Kimba. That was some of the cruelest, funniest stuff I ever read. Ah well, I guess he didn't have the stomach for it.

 

Actually, Einstein, these 4 names were on my original list. So you are wrong twice here...about the names on my original list and thinking your comment was clever.

This, of course, goes back to my comments about you needing the last word so bad you will say anything, no matter how useless it is.

 

mikE, just shut the fuck up

two quality wins for Thomas? Luis Primera???

what the fuck?? YOU DON'T KNOW WHO ANY OF THE GUYS ARE!!!! OH MY GOD< SHUT UP!!!!

Bruce Curry, Harold Weston, Clyde Gray and Randy Shields are light years better wins than Luis fucking Primera, you FUCKING MORON

I stopped after reading that one, because I was so disgusted at how ignorant you are

 

Good God are you one stupid fuck.

You want me to include these fighters as justification for his #1 P4P ranking?
1. Bruce Curry 20-4
2. Harold Weston 27-8-5
3. Clyde Gray 65-6-1
4. Randy Shields 38-6-1

hahaha...you are so fucking biased toward the older era. Holy Shit! These guys had some quality LOSSES mixed in with a few quality wins, but they also had SHIT losses and no titles. I've never said win/loss is the final say, but it is a relevant factor for discussion for anyone who tries to compare things fairly. But you and the other two stooges would rather go Bert Sugar on the forum.

If we do the current scene and keep the qualification of the fighters you listed as a criteria for quality wins...then everyone who beat guys like Librado Andrade, Joshua Clottey, Orlando Salido, and Jorge Lacierva has a nice headstart on the 1981 guys, don't they?

You can't put things into perspective. That was mY main problem with the stupid comparison. If those 1981 guys didn't have any more career, things would look a LOT worse for them in comparison. They still may be better than today's crop...we have no one (at this point) who can compare to 1981 Pryor at 140, but the light heavies? Hopkins and Dawson and Pascal all compare favorably to 1981 EMM and MSM. It's not even close.

 

you are the dumbest person I have ever talked to

 

Nothing substantive? big surprise

 

you don't warrant repsonses of substance

when you aquire some level of knowledge, come talk to me

until then, fuck yourself

 

cry, baby, cry

"You're the biggest pussy I've ever seen in my life. Didn't even try. How does that feel?"

 

Luis Primera ::

 

"By looking at a fighters record, I can accurately assess his worth even without ever seeing him fight or knowing anything about his opponents... That is how I came to the conclusion that Luis Primera, who never fought anyone, was a good win for Thomas Hearns. I'm a retarded person."

--mikE, in his book How to Pretend You Have A Valid Opinion When You Are An Ignorant Baboon

 

seriously... speaks for itself