BROTHERS who HATE on Roy???!!!...

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The same reason indians support other indians. Hell my old man cares nothing for sports but when some indian dude came along in pro wrestling, he was suddenly like "Hey turn up the volume I wanna see this!" ::
If you're a mexican, no matter where you grew up, you'll support mexican athletes.

 

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Just to CLARIFY,REED has NEVER had a Problem w/the Virgin Islands,Dog:nono: ...

& Duncan was Only N REED's CrossHairs Because he Competed DIRECTLY Against Chris Webber, REED's Favorite Player EVER...

But Since Webber's Been a HOBBLED Old Man, U HAVEN'T Heard REED Dissing Duncan...

It was NEVER Personal...Duncan was just "Collateral Damage" Resulting from REED's Overt CWebb Fandom...

Sure,REED Wished Duncan was More "A.I." than "Grant Hill",but if that's NOT who he IS, REED Doesn't Want him to Fake it...

REED::

 

Yeah,Roy was Such "An ASS" Outside of the Ring that he Basically RESCUED Local Cats like Derrick Gainer & Lemuel Nelson,DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTING to them having BETTER Lives than they Would have,had they NOT Known Roy Jones ...

B 4 it Became FASHIONABLE,Roy Jones was CONTRIBUTING to Gerald McClellan & his Family...

What an "Ass"...


REED

 

So to SOME Degree,Race IS Important,Correct??:dunno:

Toooooo OFTEN,Peeps Get Bent OUT of Shape when the Topic of RACE Comes Up...& if a Guy Shows PRIDE N his Particular Race,it's MISconstrued as Being ANTI Other Races...That's BULLSHIT...

REED Worries MORE about those that Show NO Racial or Nationalistic Pride,than those who Show ALOT of it...



REED

 

X KNOWS he's Gone OVERBOARD a Time or 2...

Just ASK him....

He was a Bit Tooooo Caught Up N the VIBE of BoxingFanatics & Made some Comments that he May or May Not Regret,about Roy...REED Definitely Regrets Attacking X for that...But when X Slighted Ali 1 Time on Fightbeat, he Heard about it from PLENTY of Brothers...

No,Ali ISN'T Flawless,but NO Brother Should Slight that Man:nono: ...FUCK That...EVERY African-American Athlete,EVERY African-American PERIOD Owes a Debt of GRATITUDE to Muhammad Ali...He's on that PEDASTAL w/Martin Luther King,Malcolm X,Nelson Mandela,etc...



REED

 

I don´t know Roy Jones the person, but I know Roy Jones the fighter, who clowned and embarrassed inferior fighters in the ring, who talked the talk for 10 years and walked with garbageman and policeman. The same fighter, who never had the respect for boxing, fans or journalists to show up in time for a press conference. If you don´t think his arrogant behaviour as a fighter inside or outside the ring could turn people off, then you are just REEDarded.

 

well for some of us, showing racial pride is a no-no, and not well received. ::

i agree with you though. it's silly and idealistic to think that a black guy or a mexican guy isn't going to naturally favor fighters of his own race.

what i object to is your implication that people hate RJJ because he's black.

 

What REED "Assumes" is that EVERYBODY is PROUD of WHAT or WHO they Are...

REED "Assumes" that EVERYBODY has Learned & Experienced Sooooooooo MUCH about their Ethnicity or Nationality,that they WON'T OPENLY Hate on ICONS within their Communities...

N REED's Case,it's NOT about Liking EVERY Black Fighter,but when a So-Called Black Man HATES on the Vast Majority of the ELITE Black Fighters N Boxing History,there's a PROBLEM...

If a Black Man Said he DIDN'T Respect Jack Johnson's STRUGGLE & OPENLY HATED Ali,Tyson,Whittaker,Ray Leonard,Ray Robinson AND Roy Jones SIMULTANEOUSLY,that Black Man would have ISSUES N REED's Opinion...

There's PLENTY of Black Fighters who REED DISlikes...As Such,YOU Couldn't B MORE OFFbase...


REED

 

As if U've NEVER Heard REED Voice these SAME Complaints...

Congrats on OVERusing the "Policeman/Garbageman" CLICHE for the 1,000th Time,as Well:clap: ...

If U WEREN'T a EURO LOVING,MichalSHITski NUTHUGGER,U MIGHT B Taken More Seriously...



REED

 

REED, I'm not sure what I think when it comes to this topic. But since it's not addressed to me, I guess I'll bow out.

 

Riiiiiiight...

@ the HEIGHT of Golota's Popularity,U NEVER Saw White Peeps Waving POLISH Flags,Did U???...

& Almost NOBODY Talks about the Gatti-Ward Trilogy,Do they???...The FACT that Gatti SOLD OUT Atlantic City for YEARS Straight,had Absolutely NATHAN to Do w/his Pigmentation,Right??....Cause EVERY SINGLE Action Fighter Sells Out,Right????...



REED

 

So you agree with me???

..and now you disagree with me???

Not since Double L´s intiative to boycott bad PPV´s and subsequent buy of Holyfield/Savarese has somebody changed his mind that quickly. :: ::

 

Basically REED - I understand your point. But the thing is, Roy was only 1 fighter. A very talented fighter yes, but just 1 fighter. And a fighter with far less historical and social significance than say Ali or Johnson.

As such, why is it strange that a black guy might simply not like Roy? Might not like his fighting style, his face, his personality, just him?

Would you consider it just as strange that a black man might not like Floyd? Who many consider to be better than Roy (not me).

For the years that you have known me, you probably remember I don't like many white fighters? Is that weird to you?

I am certainly no wannabe latino or black, I am happy being white, but I simply like the fighter who's style I like.

Since the SO days, the only white fighters I have really liked have been Hatton and Pavlik.

And from what you know of me, I am sure you know why. I love aggressive fighters and punchers, and simply guys who come to fight. It has nothing at all with them being white.

If Corrales fought Hatton I would have rooted for Chico every step of the way. That doesn't make me a traitor. I simply prefer Chico, I don't care what race they are. Chico is one of my favourite fighters ever, and as such I would root for him over "one of my own" even though I am a fan of hatton.

And I would have rooted for Roy over Michelboofski too. Simply because I didn't like boofski, and I liked Roy. Nothing to do with race.

 

Traitor. :warning: :warning: ::

 

X gets crap thrown in his face, but it's all in good humor. There's no REAL malice involved...if you ask him, I'm sure he'd agree.

"However"

When cats say things out of line, he gets checked for it. Tap and I have had scrapes over different issues and so have REED and I. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. We're all grown ass men and when one checks the other, there's no lingering animosity...it rolls off like water off a ducks back.

 

I tend to think the truth is, cats hate Jones because he's not Puerto Rican or Mexican or Polish or German or Aussie or Russian or British or Guyanna or from Tennessee....

Get the point?

 

well said. :bears:

 

I think the stream of lousy mandatories during what were probably his prime years, his calling out guys whom he had no intention of fighting (or just that they barely ever got made), his pragmatic approach to matchmaking, are why people grew to dislike the guy. It may have made good business sense but when the show was over for him, there weren't too many shedding tears...

 

no. i don't actually. are you saying that he represents no particular demographic? and that that's why people hate him?

 

you need to explain yourself to to double l(oser) brother REED. it's natural for people to root for those individuals who they most relate to...whether it be racial, cultural or nationalistic.

 

NO,what he's SAYING is,if Roy were Rican,Mexican,Polish,German,Aussie,Russian,British or Guyanan,the MAJORITY of Peeps from THOSE Countries would Absolutely ADORE Roy Jones...

No Different than how the MAJORITY of African-American Boxing Fans LOVE Roy Jones...

Which is PRECISELY What Made REED WONDER Why African-American Fans DISLIKE &/or HATE on Roy...

PARTICULARLY the "HATE" Part...

Saying a Negative Comment Here or There ISN'T "HATE"...Even REED has Spoken NEGATIVELY about Roy,on the RAREST of Occassions...



REED

 

From the ouside looking in, obviously...

IMO, it's a more legitimate question to ask why Mexicans would openly hate Julio Cesar Chavez, who basically represented Mexico, during and beyond his prime. Not to mention that he sponsors something like 30 different families. He fought like a traditional Mexican fighter, showed mad love to Mexico before and after every fight - he was the type of fighter where you can look at him and say he WAS Mexico, at least in a boxing sense.

Ditto for Felix Trinidad, though toward the end of his run at the top he began to piss off more than a few countrymen (and NuyoRicans :: ). Still, at the time, you understood why Tito so easily connected with "his people."

With Roy, I never got the sense that he was indicative of any Black community (again, this is from the outside looking in, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). Therefore, if you didn't care for the way he fought, or his personality, then it becomes easy for a brother to hate on him, since he's not going out of his way to represent them (in their mind). Not unlike how people were annoyed at Michael Jordan not using his influence to do anything more than cater to self-serving issues.

And to apply your (TWIN's) example regarding Tim Duncan, Roy could easily be classified as being far more Grant Hill than AI. Or in boxing, perhaps more Holyfield than Tyson.

 

...that's a creative way of putting it. in roy's defense, it wasn't completely his fault he was either too small (i.e lennox lewis) or too big (i.e oscar de la hoya) to fight the other top-teir fighters of his generation.

 

Actually I agree with that to some extent, I think if prime RJ were around right now at 168 say, there would be some awesome matchups to be made...

 

so you're saying, why don't black people rally around black fighters the same way puerto ricans and mexicans do their fighters?

 

Wow...you really are dense aren't you?

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the thing about african-americans they aren't as homogeneous as most people think but that's another debate for another time. that being said, on the streets, nobody is/was ever hating on roy jones. the real hate jones received came from the media and internet community...in the real world (i.e. the african-american communites across this nation) he was as respected as mike tyson.

 

I agree, and I have to admit I wonder where this question is coming from as in the real world, I've never really experienced any level of hate generated toward Roy. I know of far more boricuas who hate/hated on Tito, even during the prime years, than brothers who hate/hated on Roy.

That said, you sure you want to use "Mike Tyson" and "respect" in the same sentence? Much less claim Roy to be on that level? ::

 

Word.

I RARELY if ever ran across any brothers who hated Roy. The difference between a guy like Roy and Jordan is Roy was always what he is...a country boy.

Jordan received flack because he had a bigger stage and opportunity to say and do more than he did but he let corporate interests steer him away from that.

Roy never had that kind of a mainstream appeal, but in the community his skills were as equally respected as Jordan's. Like you said, the media hated Roy therefore he got worse than he probably deserved.