California high court voids same-sex marriages

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Have you ever watched Porno featuring two women having intercourse?  (the entire credibility of your stance hangs in the balance of the answer to that question) [/b][/quote]
Cdogg,

A person can do something, even though they know that it is wrong. We are all guilty of that. I may lie to protect myself or get myself a better job or whatever...even though I know that lying is wrong.

A man may enjoy sleeping with other women, even though he is married....he still knows that he shouldn't do it.

If a man were to rape my wife....I WOULD KILL HIM. I know that this is wrong, both legally and as a Christian...but I'd probably do it anyway.


Therefore, even IF Esk has watched lesbian porn, and been turned on by it, doesn't mean that he cannot believe that it is wrong in principle.

People are always battling there own consciences. That is life and therefore, objectively speaking, your question is unfair.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
C'mon Sly, don't be naive.

This guy is spouting HATEFUL shit. He's not saying he disagrees with it, he HATES it.

It's unnatural, it's disgusting, all of that.

You can't have it both ways, that's why I'm asking him.

 

phonetap could care less if gays marry or not...but still phoneta has enjoyed reading this debate.

 

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C'mon Sly, don't be naive.

This guy is spouting HATEFUL shit. He's not saying he disagrees with it, he HATES it.

It's unnatural, it's disgusting, all of that.

You can't have it both ways, that's why I'm asking him. [/b][/quote]
I hear you. Nevetheless, my point still stands.

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

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Have you ever watched Porno featuring two women having intercourse?  (the entire credibility of your stance hangs in the balance of the answer to that question) [/b][/quote]
Cdogg,

A person can do something, even though they know that it is wrong. We are all guilty of that. I may lie to protect myself or get myself a better job or whatever...even though I know that lying is wrong.

A man may enjoy sleeping with other women, even though he is married....he still knows that he shouldn't do it.

If a man were to rape my wife....I WOULD KILL HIM. I know that this is wrong, both legally and as a Christian...but I'd probably do it anyway.


Therefore, even IF Esk has watched lesbian porn, and been turned on by it, doesn't mean that he cannot believe that it is wrong in principle.

People are always battling there own consciences. That is life and therefore, objectively speaking, your question is unfair.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
I can't understand this way of thinking.

You can't do wrong things on purpose and defend it by saying "well, that is how we people are, what ca you do". No, if you have principles, stick with them even if it is rough. Slipping from your ideals when you feel like it is easy way out. Doing that, your principles have no worth. That is not how Jesus taught it either.

Also you can't think in Christianity that "Well, I'll commit these sins cos I feel like it but I'll remember to regret them afterwards so they won't matter". Again, that is strictly against Christian principles.

Even if you are not Christian, you can try to follow moral

 

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We could designate a few states for each.  In liberal states like California, New York, Massachusettes, etc., they will allow gay marriages.

In redneck trailerpark shitholes like Texas, Alabama, and Kentucky we can allow incestuous relationships.

We already have one state that allows polygamy (some rural areas of Utah allow this practice despite the law against it.) [/b][/quote]
Mr Blue,

You stand for nothing. You have no standards....everything is okay, nothing is wrong, there are no rules....let's welcome anarchy. You are wishy-washy...luke warm tea, warm juice, anti-establishment.....a sickening sign of the times.

Your kind disgusts me. :vom:

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
He had a DISGRACEFUL childhood and now wants HAVOK to rule the day. He figures he's always had to deal with shit, if the rest of the world would be dealt some or lot of it, they'd know how he feels and it would all be "fair" in a sense. And because of all the crap he's had to put up with in his life, he'd be at an advantage.

He wants the world to turn to a piece of shit because that's what his world has been sense he can remember.

He's also pissed off that "Christians" who live in "perfect" worlds, who's idea of tragedy is, my son smoked weed last week or skipped school, want to tell him what a piece of shit he is when THEY DON'T HAVE A FUCKEN CLUE what world he lives in.

They'd all fucken strangle themselves if they had to put up with a fraction of what he's been through.

But that's sortof the point, he wants them to know what it's like. These big DUMMIES walking around all holier than thou but their lives has been nothing but peaches and cream.

HAVOK TO THE WORLD BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL STUPID FUCKS WITH PERFECT LIVES WHO ARE TALKING SHIT AND I'VE HAD A BAD LIFE!!!!!!!!!!

That's Mr. Blue in a nutshell.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> phonetap could care less if gays marry or not...but still phoneta has enjoyed reading this debate. [/b][/quote]
"couldn't care less" is the correct phrase...but I hear your point. :wink:

To a certain extent, I couldn't care less either....that is a sign of the times. I'm desensitized to moral decay. However I don't agree with it at all...make no mistake about it.


It makes a mockery of things that should be held sacred.


The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

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I can't understand this way of thinking.

You can't do wrong things on purpose and defend it by saying "well, that is how we people are, what ca you do". No, if you have principles, stick with them even if it is rough. Slipping from your ideals when you feel like it is easy way out. Doing that, your principles have no worth. That is not how Jesus taught it either.

Also you can't think in Christianity that "Well, I'll commit these sins cos I feel like it but I'll remember to regret them afterwards so they won't matter". Again, that is strictly against Christian principles.

Even if you are not Christian, you can try to follow moral [/b][/quote]
I'm not saying that I'd deliberately go and do something and then say that I only did it because I am weak. THAT would be hypocrisy.

I'm saying that NONE OF US ARE PERFECT and we all make mistakes. Some of us are weaker in other areas. However we all know right from wrong even if we don't always manage to do what is right in our eyes.

* SIGH * I fear that some of you respond before truly reading my posts. Either that or the people in question are natural born idiots.

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> This is nothing but a pyrrhic victory for the homobic lobby.

Homosexuals will marry in every corner of the US.

It is only a matter of time.

The principle is simple and goes thus:

Heterosexuals will not, cannot legislate on the lifestyle of homosexuals - period. [/b][/quote]
they will marry and always be considered an abomination into the eyes of all. The founding fathers of this country would have never recognized such a marriage, and their principles as Christians finally reigned supreme. Gay marriage makes me want to throw up.

Cupey [/b][/quote]
:: [/b][/quote]
the founding fathers?

you mean like the ATHEIST Thomas Jefferson? [/b][/quote]
They were mostly deists, not athiests. And I still don't know what your point is, other than you have no point. [/b][/quote]
THE FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN TOTAL SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!


YOU AND CUPEY WANT TO USE CHRISTIANITY AS A BASIS FOR LAW!!!

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE "FOUNDING FATHERS" HAD IN MIND, MORON! [/b][/quote]
The Church and state is SEPERATE YOU IDIOT. We go by the constitution, which so happens to agree with the bible most of the time which says a lot about the men who wrote it.

In the entire constitution I don't see anything that even resembles them agreeing with men and men engaging in holy matrimony.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Just FYI. One thing I don't agree is people abusing gays, or not giving them medial benefits and stuff like that. I hate people that try to hurt them. That doesn't make sense. [/b][/quote]
I don't think we should necessarily hurt them but also, we shouldn't give them extra rights. For example, if someone beats the crap out of a faggot and is found guilty of that crime, he shouldn't have to do extra time because it is found to be a "hate" crime.

Someone getting the shit beat out of them is just that, their ass. It shouldn't matter who it is or why, the point is, they were fucked up.

Faggots want schools to put up "special" rules to protect them as well as society. I say, fuck them. They get NO EXTRA PROTECTION.

We're already giving them TOO MUCH by saying they're EQUAL in the eyes of the law. They're telling us they're better than us.

They're also saying they can step all over our religions and we should celebrate them for it. FUCK THEM!!!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
I agree that hate crime laws are laughably hypocritical and ridiculous.

Murder is disgusting no matter who does it or why.


But the rest of your post is silly nonsense. How many gay people do you even know? You sound like a scared, angry little kid. [/b][/quote]
How many murders and pedophiles do you know? You sound like a scared, angry little kid. [/b][/quote]
That makes NO SENSE at all.

But you are too stupid to even realize it. [/b][/quote]
You asked me how many gay people I knew, maybe since I don't acossiate with them, i'm out of touch or don't know what i'm talking about.

Well, now I ask you how many murderers and pedophiles you know? If you don't acossiate with them, then you're out of touch and don't know what you're talking about.

 

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I can't understand this way of thinking.

You can't do wrong things on purpose and defend it by saying "well, that is how we people are, what ca you do". No, if you have principles, stick with them even if it is rough. Slipping from your ideals when you feel like it is easy way out. Doing that, your principles have no worth. That is not how Jesus taught it either.

Also you can't think in Christianity that "Well, I'll commit these sins cos I feel like it but I'll remember to regret them afterwards so they won't matter". Again, that is strictly against Christian principles.

Even if you are not Christian, you can try to follow moral [/b][/quote]
I'm not saying that I'd deliberately go and do something and then say that I only did it because I am weak. THAT would be hypocrisy.

I'm saying that NONE OF US ARE PERFECT and we all make mistakes. Some of us are weaker in other areas. However we all know right from wrong even if we don't always manage to do what is right in our eyes.

* SIGH * I fear that some of you respond before truly reading my posts. Either that or the people in question are natural born idiots.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
But in this example, if Esk had answered yes to the lesbian porn question (which cdogg probably assumed), wouldn't that fit under being hypocrite? If he is against gays and still deliberately watches lesbian porn and likes it?

You are correct that nobody is perfect and no matter what moral you try to follow, you make mistakes. If you do your best following your principles, then that is respectable, at least it is enough for me.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> This is nothing but a pyrrhic victory for the homobic lobby.

Homosexuals will marry in every corner of the US.

It is only a matter of time.

The principle is simple and goes thus:

Heterosexuals will not, cannot legislate on the lifestyle of homosexuals - period. [/b][/quote]
they will marry and always be considered an abomination into the eyes of all. The founding fathers of this country would have never recognized such a marriage, and their principles as Christians finally reigned supreme. Gay marriage makes me want to throw up.

Cupey [/b][/quote]
they will marry and always be considered an abomination into the eyes of all.

They may be considered an abomination. Many people consider the existenece of my race an abomination ... just like many did the Jews 60 years ago, and probably still do. Must we put our lives on hold until we get everyone's approval? Nope.


The founding fathers of this country would have never recognized such a marriage, and their principles as Christians finally reigned supreme. Gay marriage makes me want to throw up.

In view of what they did to blacks and native Americans, what makes u think those bigots u fondly call founding fathers did not take a penis up their large intestines? The morality of them fathers leaves much to be desired and I doubt gay folks would be lose any sleep about their recognition

Who cares about their Christian principles? Not every one is a believer let alone a christian.


There are 2 distinct issues here

1. Acceptance
2. Gay Rights

Any homosexual who fights or seeks acceptance from heterosexuals should be hanged or beaten to expiration for stupidity and ignorance. No human being must be that stupid. When u r different u don't fight for acceptance from the majority. Why should u? All u have to do is say "fuck u all and your approval, stick it where the sun don't shine" then go fight for your Rights becos that is where it is at.

For the most part, gays could care less about your approval thank god, what they are fighting for is Gay Rights - Rights to be treated equally before the law. [/b][/quote]
Bullshit, you idiot.

Gays already have rights. The same rights as any other human being. What you're talking about is gay PRIVELAGES. We're not giveing them SHIT extra.

As a matter of fact, we wish they were DEAD.

Just like pedofiles which "ironically" are usually faggots. We WON'T give them anything except a knife down their stinking backs. [/b][/quote]
absolute horsehit.

You really have problems, you know that?

PROVE to me that most pedophiles are homosexuals. Where did you get that one from???

Most pedophiles are.........PEDOPHILES. Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation. It's a sick mutation.

You are such a scared little kid, it's hilarious. You could fill the Grand Canyon with all of your insecurities. [/b][/quote]
You're secure because you let a bunch of hairy men pound your ass through the wee hours of the night? That's being secure? [/b][/quote]
Great answer. :YeahRight:

I'm secure because I'm not threatened by somebody having a different lifestyle than I do, I don't feel the need to destroy people who are different from me out of fear. [/b][/quote]
Does that leniancy apply also to murderers, pedophiles, polygamists, prostitutes, drug addicts and people who engage in beastiality?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Just FYI. One thing I don't agree is people abusing gays, or not giving them medial benefits and stuff like that. I hate people that try to hurt them. That doesn't make sense. [/b][/quote]
I don't think we should necessarily hurt them but also, we shouldn't give them extra rights. For example, if someone beats the crap out of a faggot and is found guilty of that crime, he shouldn't have to do extra time because it is found to be a "hate" crime.

Someone getting the shit beat out of them is just that, their ass. It shouldn't matter who it is or why, the point is, they were fucked up.

Faggots want schools to put up "special" rules to protect them as well as society. I say, fuck them. They get NO EXTRA PROTECTION.

We're already giving them TOO MUCH by saying they're EQUAL in the eyes of the law. They're telling us they're better than us.

They're also saying they can step all over our religions and we should celebrate them for it. FUCK THEM!!!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
I agree that hate crime laws are laughably hypocritical and ridiculous.

Murder is disgusting no matter who does it or why.


But the rest of your post is silly nonsense. How many gay people do you even know? You sound like a scared, angry little kid. [/b][/quote]
How many murders and pedophiles do you know? You sound like a scared, angry little kid. [/b][/quote]
That makes NO SENSE at all.

But you are too stupid to even realize it. [/b][/quote]
You asked me how many gay people I knew, maybe since I don't acossiate with them, i'm out of touch or don't know what i'm talking about.

Well, now I ask you how many murderers and pedophiles you know? If you don't acossiate with them, then you're out of touch and don't know what you're talking about. [/b][/quote]
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.

Murderers and Pedophiles cannot be compared to Gay people.

THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT!!!!!

 

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You've inherited your moral fibre from the views of retards thousands of years ago, and a mythical tooth fairy like character they call the lord and saviour.

you must be a weak man.

Damn right I'm anti-establishment, I pave my own way through life, and don't let myself be governed by others - as you evidently do Mr Staff. [/b][/quote]
Hey,

If I let myself "be governed" by others, I would be pro gay, anti-religion and a "modern thinker". My kind is almost extinct. I'm seen as an oddball. If I was really worried about what others thought or was socially acceptible do you really think that I would have some of the views that I do?

You should think before you post...just a suggestion.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
I agree, you're deffinetely one of the most intelligent members on this board. You're the furthest thing from what he said you were.

 

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Homosexuals will marry in every corner of the US.

It is only a matter of time.

The principle is simple and goes thus:

Heterosexuals will not, cannot legislate on the lifestyle of homosexuals - period. [/b][/quote]
they will marry and always be considered an abomination into the eyes of all. The founding fathers of this country would have never recognized such a marriage, and their principles as Christians finally reigned supreme. Gay marriage makes me want to throw up.

Cupey [/b][/quote]
:: [/b][/quote]
the founding fathers?

you mean like the ATHEIST Thomas Jefferson? [/b][/quote]
They were mostly deists, not athiests. And I still don't know what your point is, other than you have no point. [/b][/quote]
THE FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN TOTAL SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!


YOU AND CUPEY WANT TO USE CHRISTIANITY AS A BASIS FOR LAW!!!

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE "FOUNDING FATHERS" HAD IN MIND, MORON! [/b][/quote]
The Church and state is SEPERATE YOU IDIOT. We go by the constitution, which so happens to agree with the bible most of the time which says a lot about the men who wrote it.

In the entire constitution I don't see anything that even resembles them agreeing with men and men engaging in holy matrimony. [/b][/quote]
Where in the constitution is gay marriage outlawed????

Find that, you mongoloid.

 

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cupey [/b][/quote]
Are you serious?

He hasn't answered one point I've made.

He just resorts to calling me a fag.

How is he kicking ass? [/b][/quote]
I'm WHOOPING YOUR ASS!!!!!!!!!

 

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That makes NO SENSE at all.

But you are too stupid to even realize it. [/b][/quote]
Oh....the analogy makes perfect sense. YOU just don't realize it.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
::

 

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Christians sin everyday. Nobody is perfect. Everyone sins. But you lay your head down and you pray everyone night asking for Jesus to forgive your sins. You try to make the next day better. You try to live a better life the next day. Jesus died on the cross to give us that ability to pray for our sins.

But the bible says that God hates homosexuality. He hates it. And that is constant living in sin. They dont go lay down next to thier partner praying to Jesus to forgive them for what they are about to eat or suck. [/b][/quote]
Exactly.

There's falling into a sin and then repenting and there is DELIBERATELY PUTTING YOURSELF into the situation and staying in it.

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> esk is kicking some ass  :stick:

cupey [/b][/quote]
Are you serious?

He hasn't answered one point I've made.

He just resorts to calling me a fag.

How is he kicking ass? [/b][/quote]
I'm WHOOPING YOUR ASS!!!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
How?

You haven't made a logical point yet.

You just keep comparing gay people to pedophiles and murderers and people who fuck animals.

Where's you argument?

It's all just hot air.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I don't know exactly what your views are sly, I merely jumped to a conclusion from the last couple of posts that you were against people being anti-establishment and were religious.

So for my and everyone else's benefit, sum up your views in 1 succinct paragraph. [/b][/quote]
I'll sum it up, he's the bomb. He's the opposite of Rock on.

 

Again, esk, answer these questions:

DO YOU WATCH LESBIAN PORNO?

IF YOUR BROTHER/SISTER or SON/DAUGHTER WERE GAY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF GAY PEOPLE?

 

Good debate btw...

::

This forum is getting pretty good.

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> The people u refer to as fags are also human beings Cupey.

If u can marry; they should too. [/b][/quote]
If gays were smart they would start their own religion and then say they are being discriminated against. I think they could win that way.

Cupey [/b][/quote]
Why link homosexuality and religion?

Regardess of religious beliefs, rights for people derive from being human beings not believers. Phock religion! [/b][/quote]
Fuck Athiests beginning with your whore mother. [/b][/quote]
I can count your IQ on one hand. :huh: [/b][/quote]
Two hairy, sweaty mean fucking the shit out of each other, in love, fighting the system to get married in a church.

I REJECT your idea of intelligence. If that's intelligence, you're as smart as you think you are. [/b][/quote]
Trying to argue your position by calling people's mothers whores is your idea of intelligence. [/b][/quote]
That's not my idea of intelligence. It's my idea of insulting someone who insults my religion.

 

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That makes NO SENSE at all.

But you are too stupid to even realize it. [/b][/quote]
Oh....the analogy makes perfect sense. YOU just don't realize it.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
:: [/b][/quote]
No, it doesn't.

Again how can you compare a gay person with PEDOPHILES and MURDERERS???

 

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I agree, you're deffinetely one of the most intelligent members on this board. You're the furthest thing from what he said you were. [/b][/quote]
Thanks man. You have firm views and you are not swayed by the times (or the consensus opinion)....I respect that in a human being.

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> The people u refer to as fags are also human beings Cupey.

If u can marry; they should too. [/b][/quote]
If gays were smart they would start their own religion and then say they are being discriminated against. I think they could win that way.

Cupey [/b][/quote]
Why link homosexuality and religion?

Regardess of religious beliefs, rights for people derive from being human beings not believers. Phock religion! [/b][/quote]
Fuck Athiests beginning with your whore mother. [/b][/quote]
I can count your IQ on one hand. :huh: [/b][/quote]
Two hairy, sweaty mean fucking the shit out of each other, in love, fighting the system to get married in a church.

I REJECT your idea of intelligence. If that's intelligence, you're as smart as you think you are. [/b][/quote]
Trying to argue your position by calling people's mothers whores is your idea of intelligence. [/b][/quote]
That's not my idea of intelligence. It's my idea of insulting someone who insults my religion. [/b][/quote]
It's also you're idea of insulting someone who disagrees with you about mike Tyson.

Nice try.

But we all know what kind of person you really are.

you're heartless.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Finally some good news in America. Marriage has and always shall be a union between man and woman. I opppose fags, but I do think they have rights. But allowing same sex marriage sends the wrong message to a nation that is already morally corrupt.

Cupey [/b][/quote]
:: [/b][/quote]
Who decides what's morally right and wrong??? [/b][/quote]
You actually have a GREAT POINT!!!!!!!!!!! No one knows what right and wrong is. Maybe murder and pedofilia is right and being an honest family man who helps his neighbor when in need is EVIL AND WRONG.

You're right, no one can determine what's right or wrong so we should allow homosexual, pedofile, beastiality, incestual and polygamist marriages.

Oh and MURDER deffinetely should be legal because it is RIGHT. And how do we know being honest or a family man isn't WRONG AND EVIL??????????????

Someone should establish all of this. It's sooooo difficult to determine one from the other.

What a great point you have here. [/b][/quote]
Just answer cdogg's question: how do you know being gay is wrong?

Your example is (although we have no right answers here either). We can assume murdering people is bad because it brings misery to the relatives and ends a life from a person who wants to live on and nobody should have the right to decide about that.

But how do we know being gay is bad and wrong? It harms NOBODY, in fact gay people will be harmed if they are not allowed to be gay. So why not let them? [/b][/quote]
Are you saying no one should be murdered under any circumstances?


I'm sure you're a very proactive anti abortion man. Am I right?

 

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No, it doesn't.

Again how can you compare a gay person with PEDOPHILES and MURDERERS??? [/b][/quote]
Wrong is wrong. Wrong isn't subjective, wrong is wrong.

Sure pedophiles and murderers are more instantly deplorable...but the analogy holds true in that a certain lifestyle can disgust you and be very disagreeable....and you don't NEED to know people that live that way in order to have that opinion.

The Sly One has Spoken!!