California high court voids same-sex marriages

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DO YOU WATCH LESBIAN PORNO?

IF YOUR BROTHER/SISTER or SON/DAUGHTER WERE GAY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF GAY PEOPLE? [/b][/quote]
I would answer this but its directed at esk. You guys are having your own side debate. I dont agree with Esk Hatred of gays. I dont hate gays. I hate the act. I have a good friend who is gay. I will never make him feel like shit. I just dont agree with his lifestyle and he knows that. [/b][/quote]
but he's your firend, so you love him, right?

That makes you a good and decent person, in my eyes.
(not that you should care what I think )

Esk has clealry said he hates gay people. So I'm trying to see just how deep that hatred goes.

 

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No, it doesn't.

Again how can you compare a gay person with PEDOPHILES and MURDERERS??? [/b][/quote]
Wrong is wrong. Wrong isn't subjective, wrong is wrong.

Sure pedophiles and murderers are more instantly deplorable...but the analogy holds true in that a certain lifestyle can disgust you and be very disagreeable....and you don't NEED to know people that live that way in order to have that opinion.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
SLY,

Pedophiles and Murderers bring harm to other people.

Gay people don't do that anymore than straight people do.

 

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If u can marry; they should too. [/b][/quote]
Everyone can marry, EVERYONE. What you're talking about isn't marriage. It's CHANGING THE DEFFINITION OF MARRIAGE because some DEGENERATES think it would be a nice blow to christianity.

Gays aren't talking about marriage, they're talking about DESTROYING MARRIAGE AND LAUNCHING A MASSIVE ATTACK ON CHRISTIANITY!!!!!!!!

FUCK THEM FAGGOTS!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad Bush is the president. [/b][/quote]
You are out of your tiny little mind!

I wasn't aware that being gay was some sort of organized club you join. Nice try, asshole.

Everytime you put your slimy hands on the keyboard, something awful, ugly and ignorant comes out. [/b][/quote]
Marriage by DEFFINITION is between a man and a woman. NO ONE can argue that it's about two men without arguing at the same time that it involves incest, pedophilia, polygamy and beastiality.

The fact that these faggots are trying to do so shows just how dishonest and evil they are. [/b][/quote]
I've already argued otherwise.

Again, pedophilia and beastiality do NOT involve CONSENT.

So quit bringing it back up.

Incest and polygamy are almost cartoonish examples. Both are extremely uncommon.

But 10% of the US Population is GAY. What do you propose we do to them? Kill them all?

Don't you have any compassion?

If you had a brother or sister or son or daughter who was gay, what would you do? disown them?

And ONE other question:

Have you ever watched Porno featuring two women having intercourse? (the entire credibility of your stance hangs in the balance of the answer to that question) [/b][/quote]
I don't think we should kill homosexuals, we should just not allow them to marry.

Yes, i've watched porn that involves two women. I didn't want to kill them either.

My point is, they shouldn't be allowed to get married.

As far as them being 10% of the population, well what percentage of women claim to have been raped at some point in their lives?

If it's greater than 10% should rape become legal to accomidate this common behavior?

Why throw rapists in jail, HAVE SOME COMPASSION!!!!!!!

 

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No, it doesn't.

Again how can you compare a gay person with PEDOPHILES and MURDERERS??? [/b][/quote]
Wrong is wrong. Wrong isn't subjective, wrong is wrong.

Sure pedophiles and murderers are more instantly deplorable...but the analogy holds true in that a certain lifestyle can disgust you and be very disagreeable....and you don't NEED to know people that live that way in order to have that opinion.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
But who decides what lifestyle can disgust you and what can't?

What if I say that black people disgust me so they must be wrong and I have every right to hate them? Would I also be a man of principles who has a right to form his opinions or would I be a racist? Because in truth, someone being black shouldn't disgust anybody. The question is, why should being gay do that?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> This is nothing but a pyrrhic victory for the homobic lobby.

Homosexuals will marry in every corner of the US.

It is only a matter of time.

The principle is simple and goes thus:

Heterosexuals will not, cannot legislate on the lifestyle of homosexuals - period. [/b][/quote]
they will marry and always be considered an abomination into the eyes of all. The founding fathers of this country would have never recognized such a marriage, and their principles as Christians finally reigned supreme. Gay marriage makes me want to throw up.

Cupey [/b][/quote]
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the founding fathers?

you mean like the ATHEIST Thomas Jefferson? [/b][/quote]
They were mostly deists, not athiests. And I still don't know what your point is, other than you have no point. [/b][/quote]
THE FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN TOTAL SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!


YOU AND CUPEY WANT TO USE CHRISTIANITY AS A BASIS FOR LAW!!!

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE "FOUNDING FATHERS" HAD IN MIND, MORON![/b][/quote]
THe First Amendment never used the words seperation of Church and State. What are you talking about?


Seperation of Church and state was first mentioned in a letter by Thomas Jefferson, after the first amendment. This is the part of the letter:


I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.

Reading that statement, it would appear that Jefferson would think gay marrige would be a law disrespecting the Christian church. Forcing them to marry gays.

Making same sex marrige legal, is all about religion. If you really believe in seperation of Church and state, then you would support civil unions and not church marriges. [/b][/quote]
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That makes NO SENSE at all.

But you are too stupid to even realize it. [/b][/quote]
Oh....the analogy makes perfect sense. YOU just don't realize it.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
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No, it doesn't.

Again how can you compare a gay person with PEDOPHILES and MURDERERS??? [/b][/quote]
You cant. They are different. But are all wrong imo. I can have a conversation with a gay guy. If i saw a Pedopohile i would probably try to kill him.

There is a big difference IMO. That doesnt mean being gay is right. [/b][/quote]
I'm not trying to say it's right!!!

I'm trying to say that discriminating against people because of it, or hating them because of it is WRONG.

Again, getting back to the original point:

What is so bad about a gay couple getting married (not in the church, but by a justice of the peace) ?

The church thing I agree with the Christians. Church is a private thing, they should have their own rules.

 

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If u can marry; they should too. [/b][/quote]
Everyone can marry, EVERYONE. What you're talking about isn't marriage. It's CHANGING THE DEFFINITION OF MARRIAGE because some DEGENERATES think it would be a nice blow to christianity.

Gays aren't talking about marriage, they're talking about DESTROYING MARRIAGE AND LAUNCHING A MASSIVE ATTACK ON CHRISTIANITY!!!!!!!!

FUCK THEM FAGGOTS!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad Bush is the president. [/b][/quote]
You are out of your tiny little mind!

I wasn't aware that being gay was some sort of organized club you join. Nice try, asshole.

Everytime you put your slimy hands on the keyboard, something awful, ugly and ignorant comes out. [/b][/quote]
Marriage by DEFFINITION is between a man and a woman. NO ONE can argue that it's about two men without arguing at the same time that it involves incest, pedophilia, polygamy and beastiality.

The fact that these faggots are trying to do so shows just how dishonest and evil they are. [/b][/quote]
I've already argued otherwise.

Again, pedophilia and beastiality do NOT involve CONSENT.

So quit bringing it back up.

Incest and polygamy are almost cartoonish examples. Both are extremely uncommon.

But 10% of the US Population is GAY. What do you propose we do to them? Kill them all?

Don't you have any compassion?

If you had a brother or sister or son or daughter who was gay, what would you do? disown them?

And ONE other question:

Have you ever watched Porno featuring two women having intercourse? (the entire credibility of your stance hangs in the balance of the answer to that question) [/b][/quote]
I don't think we should kill homosexuals, we should just not allow them to marry.

Yes, i've watched porn that involves two women. I didn't want to kill them either.

My point is, they shouldn't be allowed to get married.

As far as them being 10% of the population, well what percentage of women claim to have been raped at some point in their lives?

If it's greater than 10% should rape become legal to accomidate this common behavior?

Why throw rapists in jail, HAVE SOME COMPASSION!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
more semantic bullshit.

RAPISTS HURT PEOPLE WITHOUT CONSENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S NOT THE SAME THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Cupey [/b][/quote]
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Who decides what's morally right and wrong??? [/b][/quote]
You actually have a GREAT POINT!!!!!!!!!!! No one knows what right and wrong is. Maybe murder and pedofilia is right and being an honest family man who helps his neighbor when in need is EVIL AND WRONG.

You're right, no one can determine what's right or wrong so we should allow homosexual, pedofile, beastiality, incestual and polygamist marriages.

Oh and MURDER deffinetely should be legal because it is RIGHT. And how do we know being honest or a family man isn't WRONG AND EVIL??????????????

Someone should establish all of this. It's sooooo difficult to determine one from the other.

What a great point you have here. [/b][/quote]
Just answer cdogg's question: how do you know being gay is wrong?

Your example is (although we have no right answers here either). We can assume murdering people is bad because it brings misery to the relatives and ends a life from a person who wants to live on and nobody should have the right to decide about that.

But how do we know being gay is bad and wrong? It harms NOBODY, in fact gay people will be harmed if they are not allowed to be gay. So why not let them? [/b][/quote]
Are you saying no one should be murdered under any circumstances?


I'm sure you're a very proactive anti abortion man. Am I right? [/b][/quote]
I didn't quite say that. If for example by murdering a person you can prevent more people for getting murdered, then I think it can be rightful, but on general you have no moral right to take someones life. But no moral rule prevents you from liking men or at least I can't think of any.

And I don't consider abortion a murder since no living creature gets killed there (the unborn child can't live on its own)

 

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We could designate a few states for each.  In liberal states like California, New York, Massachusettes, etc., they will allow gay marriages.

In redneck trailerpark shitholes like Texas, Alabama, and Kentucky we can allow incestuous relationships.

We already have one state that allows polygamy (some rural areas of Utah allow this practice despite the law against it.) [/b][/quote]
Mr Blue,

You stand for nothing. You have no standards....everything is okay, nothing is wrong, there are no rules....let's welcome anarchy. You are wishy-washy...luke warm tea, warm juice, anti-establishment.....a sickening sign of the times.

Your kind disgusts me. :vom:

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
He had a DISGRACEFUL childhood and now wants HAVOK to rule the day. He figures he's always had to deal with shit, if the rest of the world would be dealt some or lot of it, they'd know how he feels and it would all be "fair" in a sense. And because of all the crap he's had to put up with in his life, he'd be at an advantage.

He wants the world to turn to a piece of shit because that's what his world has been sense he can remember.

He's also pissed off that "Christians" who live in "perfect" worlds, who's idea of tragedy is, my son smoked weed last week or skipped school, want to tell him what a piece of shit he is when THEY DON'T HAVE A FUCKEN CLUE what world he lives in.

They'd all fucken strangle themselves if they had to put up with a fraction of what he's been through.

But that's sortof the point, he wants them to know what it's like. These big DUMMIES walking around all holier than thou but their lives has been nothing but peaches and cream.

HAVOK TO THE WORLD BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL STUPID FUCKS WITH PERFECT LIVES WHO ARE TALKING SHIT AND I'VE HAD A BAD LIFE!!!!!!!!!!

That's Mr. Blue in a nutshell. [/b][/quote]
Now THIS is a classic! I appreciate this Esk. This is a good laugh because it's about the polar opposite of where I'm actually coming from.

I'll be the first one to tell you that I've had an EASY life up to this point. Too easy for my own good. It's about to get much more difficult and if I have any insecurities at all right now they are stemming from not having to overcome as much as others have at this point.

It's like the song 'The impression that I get" by The Mighty Mighty Bosstones. Now that is me in a nutshell.

As for the other post, i have a photographic memory. I don't need to look up links, I can remember everything I've read on these sites over the last few years.

The thread was approx. 14 months ago on boxingfanatics. It was statred by Super J and it was about how she lent some dude $200 and he died before he paid her back and she was pissed about the money. You were the third person to respond and you said "$200? WTF is $200. I blow my nose with $200!" And then you went on to tell her how shallow she was.

As for the rest, I just wonder how somebody who himself has admitted to some behavior that some would describe as despicable talk so much of hatred and how you are disgusted by homosexuals. It doesn't make sense to me. It's a strange mentality people have who want to hurt an maim people who aren't like them. It's caveman mentality IMO.

 

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SLY,

Pedophiles and Murderers bring harm to other people.

Gay people don't do that anymore than straight people do. [/b][/quote]
True,

And that is why murderers and pedophiles are more instantly deplorable as I have said.

But morality isn't just to do with HARM per se, it's to do with what's right and what's wrong.

Nothing wrong in thinking that homosexuality is wrong. Simple intuition tells us that men are supposed to be having sex with women and vice versa. I don't HATE gays themselves....but I completely disagree with their lifestyle. I find it revolting.

A Man should NOT be sucking another man's penis or having anal intercourse with him. :huh: :vom:

Man that's just NOT RIGHT!! :(


The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

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We could designate a few states for each.  In liberal states like California, New York, Massachusettes, etc., they will allow gay marriages.

In redneck trailerpark shitholes like Texas, Alabama, and Kentucky we can allow incestuous relationships.

We already have one state that allows polygamy (some rural areas of Utah allow this practice despite the law against it.) [/b][/quote]
Mr Blue,

You stand for nothing. You have no standards....everything is okay, nothing is wrong, there are no rules....let's welcome anarchy. You are wishy-washy...luke warm tea, warm juice, anti-establishment.....a sickening sign of the times.

Your kind disgusts me. :vom:

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
He had a DISGRACEFUL childhood and now wants HAVOK to rule the day. He figures he's always had to deal with shit, if the rest of the world would be dealt some or lot of it, they'd know how he feels and it would all be "fair" in a sense. And because of all the crap he's had to put up with in his life, he'd be at an advantage.

He wants the world to turn to a piece of shit because that's what his world has been sense he can remember.

He's also pissed off that "Christians" who live in "perfect" worlds, who's idea of tragedy is, my son smoked weed last week or skipped school, want to tell him what a piece of shit he is when THEY DON'T HAVE A FUCKEN CLUE what world he lives in.

They'd all fucken strangle themselves if they had to put up with a fraction of what he's been through.

But that's sortof the point, he wants them to know what it's like. These big DUMMIES walking around all holier than thou but their lives has been nothing but peaches and cream.

HAVOK TO THE WORLD BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL STUPID FUCKS WITH PERFECT LIVES WHO ARE TALKING SHIT AND I'VE HAD A BAD LIFE!!!!!!!!!!

That's Mr. Blue in a nutshell. [/b][/quote]
Now THIS is a classic! I appreciate this Esk. This is a good laugh because it's about the polar opposite of where I'm actually coming from.

I'll be the first one to tell you that I've had an EASY life up to this point. Too easy for my own good. It's about to get much more difficult and if I have any insecurities at all right now they are stemming from not having to overcome as much as others have at this point.

It's like the song 'The impression that I get" by The Mighty Mighty Bosstones. Now that is me in a nutshell.

As for the other post, i have a photographic memory. I don't need to look up links, I can remember everything I've read on these sites over the last few years.

The thread was approx. 14 months ago on boxingfanatics. It was statred by Super J and it was about how she lent some dude $200 and he died before he paid her back and she was pissed about the money. You were the third person to respond and you said "$200? WTF is $200. I blow my nose with $200!" And then you went on to tell her how shallow she was.

As for the rest, I just wonder how somebody who himself has admitted to some behavior that some would describe as despicable talk so much of hatred and how you are disgusted by homosexuals. It doesn't make sense to me. It's a strange mentality people have who want to hurt an maim people who aren't like them. It's caveman mentality IMO. [/b][/quote]
yep.

 

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But who decides what lifestyle can disgust you and what can't?

What if I say that black people disgust me so they must be wrong and I have every right to hate them? Would I also be a man of principles who has a right to form his opinions or would I be a racist? Because in truth, someone being black shouldn't disgust anybody. The question is, why should being gay do that? [/b][/quote]
Being black is an existance NOT a lifestyle. Being black is no more wrong than being white. Big difference there. Terrible analogy.

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

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But who decides what lifestyle can disgust you and what can't?

What if I say that black people disgust me so they must be wrong and I have every right to hate them? Would I also be a man of principles who has a right to form his opinions or would I be a racist? Because in truth, someone being black shouldn't disgust anybody. The question is, why should being gay do that? [/b][/quote]
Being black is an existance NOT a lifestyle. Being black is no more wrong than being white. Big difference there. Terrible analogy.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
Some people are just made gay, that's the way it is. Therefore being gay is an existence for them. I've talked to gay guys and girls who knew they were gay as early as age 5, before you even really have fully formed sexual leanings or feelings.

what do we do? kill 'em?

 

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But who decides what lifestyle can disgust you and what can't?

What if I say that black people disgust me so they must be wrong and I have every right to hate them? Would I also be a man of principles who has a right to form his opinions or would I be a racist? Because in truth, someone being black shouldn't disgust anybody. The question is, why should being gay do that? [/b][/quote]
Being black is an existance NOT a lifestyle. Being black is no more wrong than being white. Big difference there. Terrible analogy.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
But being black is natural born, so is being gay at least according our knowledge these fdays. Nobody can decide themselves whether or not they can be gays. It is not their choice so I think neither should be viewed disgusting

You said there that man having sex with a man is just wrong and you have a right for seeing it disgusting. This is just the difficult point: who says it is right to think so? Who says it is not right to hate black people if they happen to disgust you.

 

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Some people are just made gay, that's the way it is. Therefore being gay is an existence for them. I've talked to gay guys and girls who knew they were gay as early as age 5, before you even really have fully formed sexual leanings or feelings.

what do we do? kill 'em? [/b][/quote]


I'm not suggesting that we kill them. I am suggesting THERAPY though.

Most ASSASSINS are born not made. Some people are predisposed to VIOLENCE and wanting to kill. FACT. Some people realize this about themselves from a very young age. FACT. Investigate assassins etc and you will realize that I am not lying.

Now...does that make "killing" an existence and NOT a lifestyle?

Does it EXCUSE killing?

Please respond.

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

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Some people are just made gay, that's the way it is. Therefore being gay is an existence for them. I've talked to gay guys and girls who knew they were gay as early as age 5, before you even really have fully formed sexual leanings or feelings.

what do we do? kill 'em? [/b][/quote]


I'm not suggesting that we kill them. I am suggesting THERAPY though.

Most ASSASSINS are born not made. Some people are predisposed to VIOLENCE and wanting to kill. FACT. Some people realize this about themselves from a very young age. FACT. Investigate assassins etc and you will realize that I am not lying.

Now...does that make "killing" an existence and NOT a lifestyle?

Does it EXCUSE killing?

Please respond.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
of course, it doesn't excuse killing.

but it does sort of hamper your "existence" arguement in response to what ugotabe kidding wrote.

 

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But being black is natural born, so is being gay at least according our knowledge these fdays. Nobody can decide themselves whether or not they can be gays. It is not their choice so I think neither should be viewed disgusting

You said there that man having sex with a man is just wrong and you have a right for seeing it disgusting. This is just the difficult point: who says it is right to think so? Who says it is not right to hate black people if they happen to disgust you. [/b][/quote]
I refer you to my response to Cdogg.

I'll also add, that we all get "urges" to do all sorts of things. Even if some get "urges" to SEX UP ANOTHER MAN'S BATTY...doesn't mean that they should. They should seek therapy and rehab!!

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

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Some people are just made gay, that's the way it is. Therefore being gay is an existence for them. I've talked to gay guys and girls who knew they were gay as early as age 5, before you even really have fully formed sexual leanings or feelings.

what do we do? kill 'em? [/b][/quote]


I'm not suggesting that we kill them. I am suggesting THERAPY though.

Most ASSASSINS are born not made. Some people are predisposed to VIOLENCE and wanting to kill. FACT. Some people realize this about themselves from a very young age. FACT. Investigate assassins etc and you will realize that I am not lying.

Now...does that make "killing" an existence and NOT a lifestyle?

Does it EXCUSE killing?

Please respond.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
But again, I think we can all agree on that being assasin is wrong because it brings harm and misery to others. Being gay does not. Most people know they are hetero when they are five years old, should they be taken to therapy too?

 

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But who decides what lifestyle can disgust you and what can't?

What if I say that black people disgust me so they must be wrong and I have every right to hate them? Would I also be a man of principles who has a right to form his opinions or would I be a racist? Because in truth, someone being black shouldn't disgust anybody. The question is, why should being gay do that? [/b][/quote]
Being black is an existance NOT a lifestyle. Being black is no more wrong than being white. Big difference there. Terrible analogy.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
Some people are just made gay, that's the way it is. Therefore being gay is an existence for them. I've talked to gay guys and girls who knew they were gay as early as age 5, before you even really have fully formed sexual leanings or feelings.

what do we do? kill 'em? [/b][/quote]
Thats not proven. Thats just some words made up by gay people that have stuck. You arent born Gay. People arent made gay. The meaning of life is to procreate. Gays cant do that. If people were born gay, then why do they have sperm? Why are they given the ability to have kids? Shouldnt the gay gene also stop this from happening? [/b][/quote]
How is what you just proposed any more proven???

You think the people I've talked to were LYING?

They made it up?

They mistakenly thought they were gay?

You mean they went through years of hell and depression, guilt, feeling scared about who they really were, afraid to tell their families for NOTHING?

 

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Have you ever watched Porno featuring two women having intercourse?  (the entire credibility of your stance hangs in the balance of the answer to that question) [/b][/quote]
Cdogg,

A person can do something, even though they know that it is wrong. We are all guilty of that. I may lie to protect myself or get myself a better job or whatever...even though I know that lying is wrong.

A man may enjoy sleeping with other women, even though he is married....he still knows that he shouldn't do it.

If a man were to rape my wife....I WOULD KILL HIM. I know that this is wrong, both legally and as a Christian...but I'd probably do it anyway.


Therefore, even IF Esk has watched lesbian porn, and been turned on by it, doesn't mean that he cannot believe that it is wrong in principle.

People are always battling there own consciences. That is life and therefore, objectively speaking, your question is unfair.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
I can't understand this way of thinking.

You can't do wrong things on purpose and defend it by saying "well, that is how we people are, what ca you do". No, if you have principles, stick with them even if it is rough. Slipping from your ideals when you feel like it is easy way out. Doing that, your principles have no worth. That is not how Jesus taught it either.

Also you can't think in Christianity that "Well, I'll commit these sins cos I feel like it but I'll remember to regret them afterwards so they won't matter". Again, that is strictly against Christian principles.

Even if you are not Christian, you can try to follow moral [/b][/quote]
The thing is we all have moments of weakness. If you're starving you may STEAL a loaf of bread or whatever to eat, because you're starving.

Then you'll regret it. You knew it was wrong but in that moment of weakness you did it and everyone can understand why it happened.

We've all done desperate things under desperate situations.

Now what homosexuals want to do is TO CHANGE IT SO THEIR BEHAVIOR IS VIEWED AS RIGHT.

If the law says homosexuals can be married then their behavior becomes morally(that's right) and legally acceptable.

It would be like people trying to make incent legal or people trying to make churches with strippers dancing in there and night club music.

It would mean we're doing it because we fucken feel like it and trying to REDEFINE what is right or wrong to suit our own desires.

 

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But again, I think we can all agree on that being assasin is wrong because it brings harm and misery to others. Being gay does not. Most people know they are hetero when they are five years old, should they be taken to therapy too? [/b][/quote]
Hetero is NORMAL. If there were no "heteros" the human race would cease to exist.


Also like I said..HARM has nothing to do with morality.

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

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But who decides what lifestyle can disgust you and what can't?

What if I say that black people disgust me so they must be wrong and I have every right to hate them? Would I also be a man of principles who has a right to form his opinions or would I be a racist? Because in truth, someone being black shouldn't disgust anybody. The question is, why should being gay do that? [/b][/quote]
Being black is an existance NOT a lifestyle. Being black is no more wrong than being white. Big difference there. Terrible analogy.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
But being black is natural born, so is being gay at least according our knowledge these fdays. Nobody can decide themselves whether or not they can be gays. It is not their choice so I think neither should be viewed disgusting

You said there that man having sex with a man is just wrong and you have a right for seeing it disgusting. This is just the difficult point: who says it is right to think so? Who says it is not right to hate black people if they happen to disgust you. [/b][/quote]
You know I really haven't come to a conclusion on whether people are really born gay or not yet. I'm leaning towards some are (or have a very strong propensity towards it) and lots of others choose the lifestyle somewhere along the way. But even if they are, why not just be a non practicing homosexual (like many priests are no doubt). What I'm saying is that there is still a choice involved in the act of sex with another person which constitutes a lifestyle. That act (having sex with someone of the same sex) is wrong (according to us) regardless of whether they were born with a strong propensity towards it or not.

 

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It makes a mockery of things that should be held sacred.


The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
That's the bottom line right there.

 

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Hetero is NORMAL. If there were no "heteros" the human race would cease to exist.


Also like I said..HARM has nothing to do with morality.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
I disagree.

It's immoral to lie because events are set in motion that can harm someone or something, emotionally or physically.

It's immoral to kill because you are taking away someone's most basic right...existence.

why is it immoral to be gay?

 

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Hetero is NORMAL. If there were no "heteros" the human race would cease to exist.


Also like I said..HARM has nothing to do with morality.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
Why is it that only one sexuality can be normal?

There are too many people on this planet anyway (we don't have water for all for example, experts believe that in next fifty years or so millions of people will get killed). So I think it could be just plausible by nature that some people born gay so that the tribe won't grow too big.

So some people will produce new life, some won't they both are normal and they can live by each others side. Why is this thought so impossible?

 

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I don't think we should necessarily hurt them but also, we shouldn't give them extra rights. For example, if someone beats the crap out of a faggot and is found guilty of that crime, he shouldn't have to do extra time because it is found to be a "hate" crime.

Someone getting the shit beat out of them is just that, their ass. It shouldn't matter who it is or why, the point is, they were fucked up.

Faggots want schools to put up "special" rules to protect them as well as society. I say, fuck them. They get NO EXTRA PROTECTION.

We're already giving them TOO MUCH by saying they're EQUAL in the eyes of the law. They're telling us they're better than us.

They're also saying they can step all over our religions and we should celebrate them for it. FUCK THEM!!!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
I agree that hate crime laws are laughably hypocritical and ridiculous.

Murder is disgusting no matter who does it or why.


But the rest of your post is silly nonsense. How many gay people do you even know? You sound like a scared, angry little kid. [/b][/quote]
How many murders and pedophiles do you know? You sound like a scared, angry little kid. [/b][/quote]
That makes NO SENSE at all.

But you are too stupid to even realize it. [/b][/quote]
You asked me how many gay people I knew, maybe since I don't acossiate with them, i'm out of touch or don't know what i'm talking about.

Well, now I ask you how many murderers and pedophiles you know? If you don't acossiate with them, then you're out of touch and don't know what you're talking about. [/b][/quote]
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.

Murderers and Pedophiles cannot be compared to Gay people.

THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT!!!!! [/b][/quote]
Why not? Most faggots are already pedophiles and murder is just around the corner when you're that depraved.