California high court voids same-sex marriages

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But again, I think we can all agree on that being assasin is wrong because it brings harm and misery to others. Being gay does not. Most people know they are hetero when they are five years old, should they be taken to therapy too? [/b][/quote]
Hetero is NORMAL. If there were no "heteros" the human race would cease to exist.


Also like I said..HARM has nothing to do with morality.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
Why is it that only one sexuality can be normal?

There are too many people on this planet anyway (we don't have water for all for example, experts believe that in next fifty years or so millions of people will get killed). So I think it could be just plausible by nature that some people born gay so that the tribe won't grow too big.

So some people will produce new life, some won't they both are normal and they can live by each others side. Why is this thought so impossible? [/b][/quote]
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Homosexuals will marry in every corner of the US.

It is only a matter of time.

The principle is simple and goes thus:

Heterosexuals will not, cannot legislate on the lifestyle of homosexuals - period. [/b][/quote]
they will marry and always be considered an abomination into the eyes of all. The founding fathers of this country would have never recognized such a marriage, and their principles as Christians finally reigned supreme. Gay marriage makes me want to throw up.

Cupey [/b][/quote]
:: [/b][/quote]
the founding fathers?

you mean like the ATHEIST Thomas Jefferson? [/b][/quote]
They were mostly deists, not athiests. And I still don't know what your point is, other than you have no point. [/b][/quote]
THE FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN TOTAL SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!


YOU AND CUPEY WANT TO USE CHRISTIANITY AS A BASIS FOR LAW!!!

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE "FOUNDING FATHERS" HAD IN MIND, MORON! [/b][/quote]
The Church and state is SEPERATE YOU IDIOT. We go by the constitution, which so happens to agree with the bible most of the time which says a lot about the men who wrote it.

In the entire constitution I don't see anything that even resembles them agreeing with men and men engaging in holy matrimony. [/b][/quote]
Where in the constitution is gay marriage outlawed????

Find that, you mongoloid. [/b][/quote]
Find in the constitution where Polygamy, beastiality, pedophilia and incest is outlawed you BABOON!!!!!!

 

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I don't think we should necessarily hurt them but also, we shouldn't give them extra rights. For example, if someone beats the crap out of a faggot and is found guilty of that crime, he shouldn't have to do extra time because it is found to be a "hate" crime.

Someone getting the shit beat out of them is just that, their ass. It shouldn't matter who it is or why, the point is, they were fucked up.

Faggots want schools to put up "special" rules to protect them as well as society. I say, fuck them. They get NO EXTRA PROTECTION.

We're already giving them TOO MUCH by saying they're EQUAL in the eyes of the law. They're telling us they're better than us.

They're also saying they can step all over our religions and we should celebrate them for it. FUCK THEM!!!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
I agree that hate crime laws are laughably hypocritical and ridiculous.

Murder is disgusting no matter who does it or why.


But the rest of your post is silly nonsense. How many gay people do you even know? You sound like a scared, angry little kid. [/b][/quote]
How many murders and pedophiles do you know? You sound like a scared, angry little kid. [/b][/quote]
That makes NO SENSE at all.

But you are too stupid to even realize it. [/b][/quote]
You asked me how many gay people I knew, maybe since I don't acossiate with them, i'm out of touch or don't know what i'm talking about.

Well, now I ask you how many murderers and pedophiles you know? If you don't acossiate with them, then you're out of touch and don't know what you're talking about. [/b][/quote]
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.

Murderers and Pedophiles cannot be compared to Gay people.

THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT!!!!! [/b][/quote]
Why not? Most faggots are already pedophiles and murder is just around the corner when you're that depraved. [/b][/quote]
PROVE THAT.

Where do you come up with this shit?

You're making things up.

"most faggots are pedophiles"

WTF??

 

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cupey [/b][/quote]
Are you serious?

He hasn't answered one point I've made.

He just resorts to calling me a fag.

How is he kicking ass? [/b][/quote]
I'm WHOOPING YOUR ASS!!!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
How?

You haven't made a logical point yet.

You just keep comparing gay people to pedophiles and murderers and people who fuck animals.

Where's you argument?

It's all just hot air. [/b][/quote]
If Cupey agree's that i'm KICKING YOUR ASS then I'M DEFFINETELY KICKING THE SHIT OUT OF YOU!!!!!!!!

 

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I disagree.

It's immoral to lie because events are set in motion that can harm someone or something, emotionally or physically.

It's immoral to kill because you are taking away someone's most basic right...existence.

why is it immoral to be gay? [/b][/quote]
Well...taken to the extreme and the human race would cease to exist. So it can potentially "harm" the human race. Secondly, the anus isn't designed for entry, I heard <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">(don't know how true it is but I suspect that it IS true)</span> that many gays have to wear "pads" to prevent unauthorized LEAKAGES ( :vom: ). So homosexuality is HARMFUL to the male BATTY. :shaneUD12Oscar:


But other than that...there are TWO sexes for a reason. They fit together like a key and keyhole, pencil and sharpener...they compliment each other sexually. It is OBVIOUS therefore...that HOMOsexuality is a perversion. It is NOT the way things were meant to be. It's not that way in the eyes of a creator...or if you want to believe evolution and no God, it is not the way we evolved.

Either way...IT IS WRONG!!

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

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But who decides what lifestyle can disgust you and what can't?

What if I say that black people disgust me so they must be wrong and I have every right to hate them? Would I also be a man of principles who has a right to form his opinions or would I be a racist? Because in truth, someone being black shouldn't disgust anybody. The question is, why should being gay do that? [/b][/quote]
Being black is an existance NOT a lifestyle. Being black is no more wrong than being white. Big difference there. Terrible analogy.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
Some people are just made gay, that's the way it is. Therefore being gay is an existence for them. I've talked to gay guys and girls who knew they were gay as early as age 5, before you even really have fully formed sexual leanings or feelings.

what do we do? kill 'em? [/b][/quote]
Thats not proven. Thats just some words made up by gay people that have stuck. You arent born Gay. People arent made gay. The meaning of life is to procreate. Gays cant do that. If people were born gay, then why do they have sperm? Why are they given the ability to have kids? Shouldnt the gay gene also stop this from happening? [/b][/quote]
How is what you just proposed any more proven???

You think the people I've talked to were LYING?

They made it up?

They mistakenly thought they were gay?

You mean they went through years of hell and depression, guilt, feeling scared about who they really were, afraid to tell their families for NOTHING? [/b][/quote]
I think he truely beleives he was born gay. But i dont believe he was. People arent born Alchoholics. Yet they live thier life in complete agony always suffering. Its a sickness.

Just really think about it. If a man was born gay, why would have have sperm?

The anus isnt for penetration. Thats a FACT. so how can you be born gay? Your ass is not meant for fucking, so how do you get your sexual Pleasure? See they are using the ass for their sexual pleasure, but its not meant for that.

Your friends arent lying, they are trying to justify why they are gay. [/b][/quote]
did you ever think that GOD created them to control the population???

 

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Homosexuals will marry in every corner of the US.

It is only a matter of time.

The principle is simple and goes thus:

Heterosexuals will not, cannot legislate on the lifestyle of homosexuals - period. [/b][/quote]
they will marry and always be considered an abomination into the eyes of all. The founding fathers of this country would have never recognized such a marriage, and their principles as Christians finally reigned supreme. Gay marriage makes me want to throw up.

Cupey [/b][/quote]
:: [/b][/quote]
the founding fathers?

you mean like the ATHEIST Thomas Jefferson? [/b][/quote]
They were mostly deists, not athiests. And I still don't know what your point is, other than you have no point. [/b][/quote]
THE FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN TOTAL SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!


YOU AND CUPEY WANT TO USE CHRISTIANITY AS A BASIS FOR LAW!!!

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE "FOUNDING FATHERS" HAD IN MIND, MORON! [/b][/quote]
The Church and state is SEPERATE YOU IDIOT. We go by the constitution, which so happens to agree with the bible most of the time which says a lot about the men who wrote it.

In the entire constitution I don't see anything that even resembles them agreeing with men and men engaging in holy matrimony. [/b][/quote]
Where in the constitution is gay marriage outlawed????

Find that, you mongoloid. [/b][/quote]
Find in the constitution where Polygamy, beastiality, pedophilia and incest is outlawed you BABOON!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT, IDIOT!

Cats like you are always bringing up the "founding fathers" as a rationale for your views.

 

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DO YOU WATCH LESBIAN PORNO?

IF YOUR BROTHER/SISTER or SON/DAUGHTER WERE GAY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF GAY PEOPLE? [/b][/quote]
Yes I watch lesbian porn, rather enjoy it.

If a family member was gay, I would be opposed to their lifestyle but after that probably wouldn't hold it against them unless they tried to throw it in my face by being gay activists and pro marriage and all that crap. Then i'd probably hate them and would have nothing to do with them.

I'm not afraid of gay people, it's just that their actions disgust me and I don't think they should be able to get married.

 

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I disagree.

It's immoral to lie because events are set in motion that can harm someone or something, emotionally or physically.

It's immoral to kill because you are taking away someone's most basic right...existence.

why is it immoral to be gay? [/b][/quote]
Well...taken to the extreme and the human race would cease to exist. So it can potentially "harm" the human race. Secondly, the anus isn't designed for entry, I heard <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">(don't know how true it is but I suspect that it IS true)</span> that many gays have to wear "pads" to prevent unauthorized LEAKAGES ( :vom: ). So homosexuality is HARMFUL to the male BATTY. :shaneUD12Oscar:


But other than that...there are TWO sexes for a reason. They fit together like a key and keyhole, pencil and sharpener...they compliment each other sexually. It is OBVIOUS therefore...that HOMOsexuality is a perversion. It is NOT the way things were meant to be. It's not that way in the eyes of a creator...or if you want to believe evolution and no God, it is not the way we evolved.

Either way...IT IS WRONG!!

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
did you ever think that your GOD created them because the population has grown too large and is destroying Earth?

 

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did you ever think that GOD created them to control the population??? [/b][/quote]
God allowed for all sorts of sin for all sorts of reasons....doesn't mean that the sin itself is acceptable to God.

God allowed for the devil, so that men have a choice, but it doesn't mean that he accepts the devil.

Anyway....I am digressing....

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

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But again, I think we can all agree on that being assasin is wrong because it brings harm and misery to others. Being gay does not. Most people know they are hetero when they are five years old, should they be taken to therapy too? [/b][/quote]
Hetero is NORMAL. If there were no "heteros" the human race would cease to exist.


Also like I said..HARM has nothing to do with morality.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
I disagree.

It's immoral to lie because events are set in motion that can harm someone or something, emotionally or physically.

It's immoral to kill because you are taking away someone's most basic right...existence.

why is it immoral to be gay? [/b][/quote]
Because The bible (which I and many others beleive in) say it is. You cant procreate. What do gays bring to the world? What do they do for us to live on? Its nothing but sex. You cant have kids. Its for your own pleasure and not to populate the world. All they do is eat, shit and fuck. If i had magic and turned everyone in the world gay, in 100 years, everyone in the world would be dead. [/b][/quote]
See, that's the problem.

The Bible isn't the law.

And not everyone in the world is a follower of it.

 

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If u can marry; they should too. [/b][/quote]
If gays were smart they would start their own religion and then say they are being discriminated against. I think they could win that way.

Cupey [/b][/quote]
Why link homosexuality and religion?

Regardess of religious beliefs, rights for people derive from being human beings not believers. Phock religion! [/b][/quote]
Fuck Athiests beginning with your whore mother. [/b][/quote]
I can count your IQ on one hand. :huh: [/b][/quote]
Two hairy, sweaty mean fucking the shit out of each other, in love, fighting the system to get married in a church.

I REJECT your idea of intelligence. If that's intelligence, you're as smart as you think you are. [/b][/quote]
Trying to argue your position by calling people's mothers whores is your idea of intelligence. [/b][/quote]
That's not my idea of intelligence. It's my idea of insulting someone who insults my religion. [/b][/quote]
It's also you're idea of insulting someone who disagrees with you about mike Tyson.

Nice try.

But we all know what kind of person you really are.

you're heartless. [/b][/quote]
What kind of a person I am has nothing to do with the logic in my views. If you don't like me that has nothing to do with my arguments.

You're unable to seperate personal feelings from this debate which makes you incapable of being objective.

Probably why you come off as ignorant and wrong most of the time.

 

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DO YOU WATCH LESBIAN PORNO?

IF YOUR BROTHER/SISTER or SON/DAUGHTER WERE GAY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF GAY PEOPLE? [/b][/quote]
Yes I watch lesbian porn, rather enjoy it.

If a family member was gay, I would be opposed to their lifestyle but after that probably wouldn't hold it against them unless they tried to throw it in my face by being gay activists and pro marriage and all that crap. Then i'd probably hate them and would have nothing to do with them.

I'm not afraid of gay people, it's just that their actions disgust me and I don't think they should be able to get married. [/b][/quote]
so you watch and enjoy lesbian porn, yet homosexuality is DISGUSTING?

So you enjoy watching something you find disgusting? :wacko:

I find murder disgusting, so I've never watched 'Faces of Death'

I guess you and I are different.

 

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But who decides what lifestyle can disgust you and what can't?

What if I say that black people disgust me so they must be wrong and I have every right to hate them? Would I also be a man of principles who has a right to form his opinions or would I be a racist? Because in truth, someone being black shouldn't disgust anybody. The question is, why should being gay do that? [/b][/quote]
Being black is an existance NOT a lifestyle. Being black is no more wrong than being white. Big difference there. Terrible analogy.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
Some people are just made gay, that's the way it is. Therefore being gay is an existence for them. I've talked to gay guys and girls who knew they were gay as early as age 5, before you even really have fully formed sexual leanings or feelings.

what do we do? kill 'em? [/b][/quote]
Thats not proven. Thats just some words made up by gay people that have stuck. You arent born Gay. People arent made gay. The meaning of life is to procreate. Gays cant do that. If people were born gay, then why do they have sperm? Why are they given the ability to have kids? Shouldnt the gay gene also stop this from happening? [/b][/quote]
How is what you just proposed any more proven???

You think the people I've talked to were LYING?

They made it up?

They mistakenly thought they were gay?

You mean they went through years of hell and depression, guilt, feeling scared about who they really were, afraid to tell their families for NOTHING? [/b][/quote]
I think he truely beleives he was born gay. But i dont believe he was. People arent born Alchoholics. Yet they live thier life in complete agony always suffering. Its a sickness.

Just really think about it. If a man was born gay, why would have have sperm?

The anus isnt for penetration. Thats a FACT. so how can you be born gay? Your ass is not meant for fucking, so how do you get your sexual Pleasure? See they are using the ass for their sexual pleasure, but its not meant for that.

Your friends arent lying, they are trying to justify why they are gay. [/b][/quote]
did you ever think that GOD created them to control the population??? [/b][/quote]
Where does it say that in the Bible? Your not God, dont try to think like him. [/b][/quote]
I'm not talking about the Bible.

I'm not Christian, it doesn't apply to me.

If you want to believe in it, fine. But if there's a god, how do you know he didn't throw in a homo or two just to keep the population in check a little bit? Just because the bible doesn't mention it?
The bible doesn't mention dinosaurs, either, but they sure as hell existed.

 

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If u can marry; they should too. [/b][/quote]
Everyone can marry, EVERYONE. What you're talking about isn't marriage. It's CHANGING THE DEFFINITION OF MARRIAGE because some DEGENERATES think it would be a nice blow to christianity.

Gays aren't talking about marriage, they're talking about DESTROYING MARRIAGE AND LAUNCHING A MASSIVE ATTACK ON CHRISTIANITY!!!!!!!!

FUCK THEM FAGGOTS!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad Bush is the president. [/b][/quote]
You are out of your tiny little mind!

I wasn't aware that being gay was some sort of organized club you join. Nice try, asshole.

Everytime you put your slimy hands on the keyboard, something awful, ugly and ignorant comes out. [/b][/quote]
Marriage by DEFFINITION is between a man and a woman. NO ONE can argue that it's about two men without arguing at the same time that it involves incest, pedophilia, polygamy and beastiality.

The fact that these faggots are trying to do so shows just how dishonest and evil they are. [/b][/quote]
I've already argued otherwise.

Again, pedophilia and beastiality do NOT involve CONSENT.

So quit bringing it back up.

Incest and polygamy are almost cartoonish examples. Both are extremely uncommon.

But 10% of the US Population is GAY. What do you propose we do to them? Kill them all?

Don't you have any compassion?

If you had a brother or sister or son or daughter who was gay, what would you do? disown them?

And ONE other question:

Have you ever watched Porno featuring two women having intercourse? (the entire credibility of your stance hangs in the balance of the answer to that question) [/b][/quote]
I don't think we should kill homosexuals, we should just not allow them to marry.

Yes, i've watched porn that involves two women. I didn't want to kill them either.

My point is, they shouldn't be allowed to get married.

As far as them being 10% of the population, well what percentage of women claim to have been raped at some point in their lives?

If it's greater than 10% should rape become legal to accomidate this common behavior?

Why throw rapists in jail, HAVE SOME COMPASSION!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
more semantic bullshit.

RAPISTS HURT PEOPLE WITHOUT CONSENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S NOT THE SAME THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
You said 10% of the population is gay so we should excuse their actions based on that 10%.

Now shouldn't we excuse ALL ACTIONS which are as common as 10% or greater?

Or do you only want to change the laws to accomodate gays?

 

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But again, I think we can all agree on that being assasin is wrong because it brings harm and misery to others. Being gay does not. Most people know they are hetero when they are five years old, should they be taken to therapy too? [/b][/quote]
Hetero is NORMAL. If there were no "heteros" the human race would cease to exist.


Also like I said..HARM has nothing to do with morality.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
I disagree.

It's immoral to lie because events are set in motion that can harm someone or something, emotionally or physically.

It's immoral to kill because you are taking away someone's most basic right...existence.

why is it immoral to be gay? [/b][/quote]
Because The bible (which I and many others beleive in) say it is. You cant procreate. What do gays bring to the world? What do they do for us to live on? Its nothing but sex. You cant have kids. Its for your own pleasure and not to populate the world. All they do is eat, shit and fuck. If i had magic and turned everyone in the world gay, in 100 years, everyone in the world would be dead. [/b][/quote]
See, that's the problem.

The Bible isn't the law.

And not everyone in the world is a follower of it. [/b][/quote]
Yet all the initial Laws of this country were based on the bible. [/b][/quote]
Really, where'd you get that from?

 

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Cupey [/b][/quote]
:: [/b][/quote]
Who decides what's morally right and wrong??? [/b][/quote]
You actually have a GREAT POINT!!!!!!!!!!! No one knows what right and wrong is. Maybe murder and pedofilia is right and being an honest family man who helps his neighbor when in need is EVIL AND WRONG.

You're right, no one can determine what's right or wrong so we should allow homosexual, pedofile, beastiality, incestual and polygamist marriages.

Oh and MURDER deffinetely should be legal because it is RIGHT. And how do we know being honest or a family man isn't WRONG AND EVIL??????????????

Someone should establish all of this. It's sooooo difficult to determine one from the other.

What a great point you have here. [/b][/quote]
Just answer cdogg's question: how do you know being gay is wrong?

Your example is (although we have no right answers here either). We can assume murdering people is bad because it brings misery to the relatives and ends a life from a person who wants to live on and nobody should have the right to decide about that.

But how do we know being gay is bad and wrong? It harms NOBODY, in fact gay people will be harmed if they are not allowed to be gay. So why not let them? [/b][/quote]
Are you saying no one should be murdered under any circumstances?


I'm sure you're a very proactive anti abortion man. Am I right? [/b][/quote]
I didn't quite say that. If for example by murdering a person you can prevent more people for getting murdered, then I think it can be rightful, but on general you have no moral right to take someones life. But no moral rule prevents you from liking men or at least I can't think of any.

And I don't consider abortion a murder since no living creature gets killed there (the unborn child can't live on its own) [/b][/quote]
I don't care if you don't consider abortion murder, it's still murder. You're still terminating the life of a human being.

As far as murder, what about an eye for an eye? What about murdering an evil person? Or someone who wants to murder you?

I can think of a lot of cases when murder becomes more than acceptable.

 

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I disagree.

It's immoral to lie because events are set in motion that can harm someone or something, emotionally or physically.

It's immoral to kill because you are taking away someone's most basic right...existence.

why is it immoral to be gay? [/b][/quote]
Well...taken to the extreme and the human race would cease to exist. So it can potentially "harm" the human race. Secondly, the anus isn't designed for entry, I heard <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">(don't know how true it is but I suspect that it IS true)</span> that many gays have to wear "pads" to prevent unauthorized LEAKAGES ( :vom: ). So homosexuality is HARMFUL to the male BATTY. :shaneUD12Oscar:


But other than that...there are TWO sexes for a reason. They fit together like a key and keyhole, pencil and sharpener...they compliment each other sexually. It is OBVIOUS therefore...that HOMOsexuality is a perversion. It is NOT the way things were meant to be. It's not that way in the eyes of a creator...or if you want to believe evolution and no God, it is not the way we evolved.

Either way...IT IS WRONG!!

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
Is oral sex a 'perversion.' Was a woman's mouth designed for penetration? What about guys who bang their wife in the ass. Shouldn't they be rounded up for commiting perverted unnatural acts.

:Calvin Brock:

 

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If u can marry; they should too. [/b][/quote]
Everyone can marry, EVERYONE. What you're talking about isn't marriage. It's CHANGING THE DEFFINITION OF MARRIAGE because some DEGENERATES think it would be a nice blow to christianity.

Gays aren't talking about marriage, they're talking about DESTROYING MARRIAGE AND LAUNCHING A MASSIVE ATTACK ON CHRISTIANITY!!!!!!!!

FUCK THEM FAGGOTS!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad Bush is the president. [/b][/quote]
You are out of your tiny little mind!

I wasn't aware that being gay was some sort of organized club you join. Nice try, asshole.

Everytime you put your slimy hands on the keyboard, something awful, ugly and ignorant comes out. [/b][/quote]
Marriage by DEFFINITION is between a man and a woman. NO ONE can argue that it's about two men without arguing at the same time that it involves incest, pedophilia, polygamy and beastiality.

The fact that these faggots are trying to do so shows just how dishonest and evil they are. [/b][/quote]
I've already argued otherwise.

Again, pedophilia and beastiality do NOT involve CONSENT.

So quit bringing it back up.

Incest and polygamy are almost cartoonish examples. Both are extremely uncommon.

But 10% of the US Population is GAY. What do you propose we do to them? Kill them all?

Don't you have any compassion?

If you had a brother or sister or son or daughter who was gay, what would you do? disown them?

And ONE other question:

Have you ever watched Porno featuring two women having intercourse? (the entire credibility of your stance hangs in the balance of the answer to that question) [/b][/quote]
I don't think we should kill homosexuals, we should just not allow them to marry.

Yes, i've watched porn that involves two women. I didn't want to kill them either.

My point is, they shouldn't be allowed to get married.

As far as them being 10% of the population, well what percentage of women claim to have been raped at some point in their lives?

If it's greater than 10% should rape become legal to accomidate this common behavior?

Why throw rapists in jail, HAVE SOME COMPASSION!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
more semantic bullshit.

RAPISTS HURT PEOPLE WITHOUT CONSENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S NOT THE SAME THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
You said 10% of the population is gay so we should excuse their actions based on that 10%.

Now shouldn't we excuse ALL ACTIONS which are as common as 10% or greater?

Or do you only want to change the laws to accomodate gays? [/b][/quote]
you're missing the point (as usual)

10% of the population is Gay, that's over 20 MILLION people.

They are engaging in a way of life that is not illegal and isn't hurting anybody, so why should we be so hellbent in keeping them from having the same rights as you and I do?

 

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Is oral sex a 'perversion.' Was a woman's mouth designed for penetration? What about guys who bang their wife in the ass. Shouldn't they be rounded up for commiting perverted unnatural acts.

:Calvin Brock: [/b][/quote]
Smart (ass) answer I guess.

However, men are not supposed to be screwing other men. Think about it.

The Sly One has Spoken!!

 

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I disagree.

It's immoral to lie because events are set in motion that can harm someone or something, emotionally or physically.

It's immoral to kill because you are taking away someone's most basic right...existence.

why is it immoral to be gay? [/b][/quote]
Well...taken to the extreme and the human race would cease to exist. So it can potentially "harm" the human race. Secondly, the anus isn't designed for entry, I heard <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">(don't know how true it is but I suspect that it IS true)</span> that many gays have to wear "pads" to prevent unauthorized LEAKAGES ( :vom: ). So homosexuality is HARMFUL to the male BATTY. :shaneUD12Oscar:


But other than that...there are TWO sexes for a reason. They fit together like a key and keyhole, pencil and sharpener...they compliment each other sexually. It is OBVIOUS therefore...that HOMOsexuality is a perversion. It is NOT the way things were meant to be. It's not that way in the eyes of a creator...or if you want to believe evolution and no God, it is not the way we evolved.

Either way...IT IS WRONG!!

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
Is oral sex a 'perversion.' Was a woman's mouth designed for penetration? What about guys who bang their wife in the ass. Shouldn't they be rounded up for commiting perverted unnatural acts.

:Calvin Brock: [/b][/quote]
exactly!

good point.

 

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But who decides what lifestyle can disgust you and what can't?

What if I say that black people disgust me so they must be wrong and I have every right to hate them? Would I also be a man of principles who has a right to form his opinions or would I be a racist? Because in truth, someone being black shouldn't disgust anybody. The question is, why should being gay do that? [/b][/quote]
Being black is an existance NOT a lifestyle. Being black is no more wrong than being white. Big difference there. Terrible analogy.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
Some people are just made gay, that's the way it is. Therefore being gay is an existence for them. I've talked to gay guys and girls who knew they were gay as early as age 5, before you even really have fully formed sexual leanings or feelings.

what do we do? kill 'em? [/b][/quote]
Thats not proven. Thats just some words made up by gay people that have stuck. You arent born Gay. People arent made gay. The meaning of life is to procreate. Gays cant do that. If people were born gay, then why do they have sperm? Why are they given the ability to have kids? Shouldnt the gay gene also stop this from happening? [/b][/quote]
How is what you just proposed any more proven???

You think the people I've talked to were LYING?

They made it up?

They mistakenly thought they were gay?

You mean they went through years of hell and depression, guilt, feeling scared about who they really were, afraid to tell their families for NOTHING? [/b][/quote]
I think he truely beleives he was born gay. But i dont believe he was. People arent born Alchoholics. Yet they live thier life in complete agony always suffering. Its a sickness.

Just really think about it. If a man was born gay, why would have have sperm?

The anus isnt for penetration. Thats a FACT. so how can you be born gay? Your ass is not meant for fucking, so how do you get your sexual Pleasure? See they are using the ass for their sexual pleasure, but its not meant for that.

Your friends arent lying, they are trying to justify why they are gay. [/b][/quote]
did you ever think that GOD created them to control the population??? [/b][/quote]
Where does it say that in the Bible? Your not God, dont try to think like him. [/b][/quote]
I'm not talking about the Bible.

I'm not Christian, it doesn't apply to me.

If you want to believe in it, fine. But if there's a god, how do you know he didn't throw in a homo or two just to keep the population in check a little bit? Just because the bible doesn't mention it?
The bible doesn't mention dinosaurs, either, but they sure as hell existed. [/b][/quote]
The Bible Talks much on Homosexuality. You should read it. You will see that God didnt create Gays. Have you ever heard of Saddam and Gomorrah? [/b][/quote]
believe me, buddy, I read it.

I went to CCD for 10 years and got thrown out for asking too many questions about that little book.

YOu want to believe that God talked to man through prophets and "wrote" the bible, be my guest.

I don't buy it, never have and never will.

 

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But again, I think we can all agree on that being assasin is wrong because it brings harm and misery to others. Being gay does not. Most people know they are hetero when they are five years old, should they be taken to therapy too? [/b][/quote]
Hetero is NORMAL. If there were no "heteros" the human race would cease to exist.


Also like I said..HARM has nothing to do with morality.

The Sly One has Spoken!! [/b][/quote]
I disagree.

It's immoral to lie because events are set in motion that can harm someone or something, emotionally or physically.

It's immoral to kill because you are taking away someone's most basic right...existence.

why is it immoral to be gay? [/b][/quote]
Because The bible (which I and many others beleive in) say it is. You cant procreate. What do gays bring to the world? What do they do for us to live on? Its nothing but sex. You cant have kids. Its for your own pleasure and not to populate the world. All they do is eat, shit and fuck. If i had magic and turned everyone in the world gay, in 100 years, everyone in the world would be dead. [/b][/quote]
See, that's the problem.

The Bible isn't the law.

And not everyone in the world is a follower of it. [/b][/quote]
Yet all the initial Laws of this country were based on the bible. [/b][/quote]
Really, where'd you get that from? [/b][/quote]
Dont Steal, dont Kill, Dont bare false WItness, Dont Commit Adultery.(not against the law now, but use to be).

Thats where they got thier laws from. In God we Trust. Printed right on the money. [/b][/quote]
"In God We Trust" was NOT PRINTED on Money until the LATE 1800s!

Just like The PLedge Of allegiance didn't come to be until the 1940s!

The founding fathers made NO mention of God in any government forum.