Calzaghe-Jones is "a done deal" for September 20th at MSG

Nah...

It's Crystal Clear to EVERYBODY That Roy Ain't ROY Anymore...But Stylistically, Calzaghe is a FAVORABLE Matchup...

& Some of Us Think Roy has @ Least ONE Great Performance Left N the Tank...


REED:mj:

 

As MUCH as REED Wants to See N.Y. & See Roy Jones Fight IN PERSON, it's Not Likely to Happen, Arben...

Not N 2008, Anyways...

REED is 3-4 Days REMOVED from a 2 Week Family Vacation, so Funds R Kinda TIGHT Right Now...

unless, Unless, UNLESS "Fightbeat" Wants to "Sponsor" REED's Trip...

cupey???


REED:dunno:

 

hahahahahahahaha

 

I'm not talking about you REED, I know you always live by your words despite what your detractors say.:bears:

 

Trinidad's offense is predictable. Calzaghe comes at his opponents far differently.

And Jones simply exposed much of his body to Trinidad in order to keep his chin from getting touches.

And Trinidad's legs aren't what Calzaghe's are.

 

Yeah, Tito, Tarver, and Calzaghe are three entirely different fighters.

 

No Shit...

But @ the Same Time, U Can GUAGE Certain Things Based on those Fights...


REED:hammert:

 

yea, calzaghe is better than both.

 

Why Stop THERE????:dunno:...

Trinidad's Punching TECHNIQUE is ALOT more PRECISE than Calzaghe's & he Gets BETTER LEVERAGE on his Shots than Calzaghe Does...

Despite his Handspeed, Calzaghe's a VERY WIDE Puncher...Let's NOT Pretend that DOESN'T Present a Multitude of OPENINGS...& Let's NOT Pretend that Roy Jones ISN'T an Exquisite Counterpuncher...



REED:hammert:

 

HISTORICALLY, Sure...

But REED Isn't Certain that Calzaghe would BEAT Tarver, Head to Head...


REED:nono:

 

realistically, yes.

tarver got his ass handed to him by hopkins and somehow managed to look like shit vs. elvir muriqi.

stylstically, it doesnt get any worse for calzaghe fighting a guy like hopkins.

tarver is fairly predictable and OLD. he hasn't shown me anything since the glen johnson rematch, which was how long ago?

 

absolutely, like "Roy Jones can't compete with top level fighters"

Tito trinidad in 2008 is not even Tito Trinidad of 2006 who got embarassed by a much smaller Winky Wright. The fact that coming off retirement, moving up 10 pounds got him 4 more rounds against Roy than Winky should tell you how Roy's stock is in 2008.

Tarver is still unquestionably one of the 3 best Lt. Heavy's in the world, and Calzaghe lest we forget just beat the man who beat Tarver, more convincingly than anyone other than a prime RJJ.

What Calzaghe brings to the table are very good reflexes and a good workrate. Antonio Tarver was just a tall awkward southpaw with minimal output, and he almost shut out RJJ last tme they fought.

Calzaghe is a faster, more active, awkward southpaw which will definitely make RJJ as hesitant as he was against Antonio. You don't get over being shell shocked, and the back to back losses against Tarver and Johnson and Tarver again have certainly made Roy gunshy, to me that is the big key in assessing him against an elite fighter from here on out.

 

Tarver has ALWAYS Been a Hot & Cold Fighter...Like a PRIME Holyfield, Tarver Fights to the Level of his Opponent...

1nce he Stopped Fighting BUMS, he's Struggled N Putting Together a STRING of Impressive Victories...

REED LOATHES Tarver, but the Dude has a KNACK for MAKING Guys LEAD & Making them PAY for it...N Calzaghe's Case, Tarver WON'T Have to Worry about MAKING Calzaghe Lead...

Tarver's Left Hand, Defense & Counterpunching would Give him a GOOD Chance of BEATING Calzaghe...It's Certainly NO Guarantee that Calzaghe wins that Fight...



REED:hammert:

 

Crap Zaga got dropped by 187 year old Bernard who is not that fast and can not crack

Roy is faster and hits harder

 

how many fights did it take Roy to drop Tarver?

how many fights did it take Hopkins to drop Tarver?

 

moot point

 

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I mean you'd think, if you listened to the Roy fans, that he was some bomber puncher and that Hopkins is poop.

 

Oh he was, but Hopkins right hand is still money, even at that advanced age. I'm not sure Roy can still throw a punch as efficient. And don't get me wrong, I like Roy and despise Hopkins.

 

"Ya'll Musta Forgot" that Roy Jones DROPPED Trinidad TWICE & Probably could've STOPPED him had he Pressed the Issue...

How Many Times did Winky DROP Tito???...How Many Times did Winky HURT Tito???...How Many Rounds did Winky have Tito RETREATING???...

Surely U DON'T Subscribe to the "A Beat B, B Beat C, so A Beats C" Theory???...That's Been DISproven Half a Million Times N Boxing History...Yes, Calzaghe BEAT Bernard & Yes, Bernard WHIPPED Tarver, but what Does that have to Do w/Calzaghe vs. Tarver???...

Sure, Calzaghe is ATHLETIC, but his Defense ISN'T Stellar...He's THERE to B Hit, he's a WIDE Puncher & his Workrate Makes him VULNERABLE to Counters...

Even @ this Stage of his Career, Roy Jones will EASILY B THE Most ATHLETIC Fighter Calzaghe's EVER Shared a Ring w/...For the 1st Time EVER, Calzaghe will Face a Man w/SUPERIOR Handspeed...

To Top it Off, Roy is an ACCURATE Counterpuncher w/POWER...Roy's NOT Gonna just Go Out There & B a Glorified Punching Bag...


REED:nono:

 

tito somehow managed to win 3 or 4 rounds vs. jones. winky's never been a puncher but he dominated every second of the fight vs. tito at 160 pounds.

jones didnt finish tito because he couldnt, no excuses there.

he might be able to tag calzaghe here and there, but he won't be able to capitalize on it.

 

Is EXAGGERATING Supposed to Lend Credence to your ATTEMPT @ Making a "Point"???...

The FACT is, Bernard Didn't "Drop" Tarver...He Knocked Tarver Off Balance...

Tarver's GLOVE Touched the Canvas & NATHAN More...But THANKS for OVERBLOWING the Issue...


REED:mj:

 

how can we have decent discussion if you're gonna say nonsense like this.

Someone claimed Calzaghe got dropped by Hopkins and then implied that Roy is faster and stronger and thus would be able to do the same.

So I brought up a simple common opponent to show that claim to be false.

 

I think the point still remains, at no point in 3 fights Roy could time Tarver to catch him vulnerable enough to make him lose his balance. Hopkins did. As I said earlier, I'm not sure Roy still has what it takes to throw the kind of punch you guys are expecting. Hopkins aged way better than Roy and still couldn't beat Calzaghe.

 

Dude, even Some Trinidad FANS have Acknowledged that Roy COULD have Dished Out More HURT, if he Wanted to...

& Who Says Roy WON'T B Able to Capitalize after Tagging Calzaghe???...Why Not???


REED:dunno:

 

At first that's what I thought too, but I heard Roy told Tito "I can't believe you made the distance against me" right after the fight. Maybe that was Roy being the gentleman he is, but that could also suggest that Roy couldn't stop him even though he had him hurt.

 

then why didnt he? because he can't anymore.

when was the last time roy scored a knockout? shit, even that novice dirrell was able to knock handshaw out when he had him hurt.

jones still quick, but he throws one punch at a time and it's not enough to beat any top level guys.

i would love to see roy turned the clock, somehow win this fight and then retire. i just don't see it happening.

 

Nonsense???...

Bernard CLOCKED Tarver, Knocked him Off Balance & Tarver's GLOVE Hit the Canvas...NO OTHER Portion of his Body Touched the Canvas Whatsoever...

What Part of that is "Nonsense" Exactly???:dunno:...

By Comparison, Calzaghe was Sitting ON HIS ASS N Round 1, vs. Bernard...

Who's the HARDER Puncher, Roy Jones or Bernard Hopkins???...


REED:dunno:

 

U're Right, Baron...

Bernard HAS Aged Better than Roy, but even Today, Roy Jones is the Superior ATHLETE...Roy's FASTER, Punches HARDER, is STRONGER, etc...

Calzaghe has PROVEN he Can Eat Up "Technical" Guys like Kessler & Brawlers like Lacy...But When has Calzaghe EVER Faced a Guy who Could MATCH or SURPASS him ATHLETICALLY???...

REED Recognizes that there's a Very REAL Chance Roy Could Get EMBARASSED, but to Act like he has Absolutely ZERO Chance of Beating Calzaghe is Preposterous...

Even Roy Nuthuggers & Haters Should B Able to See That...

REED:mj:

 

Throughout his CAREER, Even During Stretches of his PRIME, Roy Jones has Been Known to Take his Foot OFF the Pedal 1nce he Knows he has a Guy BEAT...

R U Gonna Sit Here & Tell REED that Roy COULDN'T KO Reggie Johnson???...He Beat the Living Shit OUT of him for 4 Rounds, then Took his Foot OFF the Pedal...

To a Lesser Degree, he Did the Same w/Tito...


REED:mj: