Calzaghe Questions Bernard's Resume

Laporte, in only his 4th pro-fight, is very impressive Dympeople, I wish you hadn't mentioned that, now I wont stop blushing for half an hour :doh: .

 

Just one post above this one, Kauki gives credit to Zoo for fighting a natural FEATHERWEIGHT, who, by the time Kostya fought him, was 40 years old and hasn't won a significant fight in ages.

 

One thing that is different about this press conference is that Calzaghe didn't punk out like Hatton did. What I mean is that Hatton really waited until he got home to England before he got the stones to talk back to PBF. Calzaghe is like fuk that shit. He's come out swinging verbally from the jump and that's what I respect about him in this regards. As far as the resume thing is concerned. We all know that Joe's resume sucks ass compared to Hopkins. And yes Kessler is a prospect. Now he has beaten everyone he's fought except for Calzaghe but he hadn't fought anyone. He was a belt holder in a weak ass divison. Ya'll know that shit as well as I. The jury is still out on him. I'll Holla 5000

 

how the hell is Kessler a prospect?

When he faced Joe he was a two time champion. He was considered #2 in the division after Joe because he beat everyone he face lilke Joe did.

Obviously Hopkins' carreer is more impressive. But the 20 tittle defenses never impressed me that much. The only two tittle defenses worth mentioning were Tito and Oscar and neither of them will be remember for their days at 160

Most of Hopkins' defenses at middleweight were against mediocre fighters.

I actually think his biggest win ever was against TAver because he went up in weight and beat someone bigger than him. Really to a weight even he admitted was were he belonged.

 

Some context..Bigdawg had never seen or likely heard of kessler prior to the Calzaghe fight, hence why he drones on about him being "unproven" :doh:

 

he lost to rjj. the argument is over who they have beaten.

 

:: :bears: What a fucken excellent post, you've given me tingles, I never thought I'd expect that from you, scrumptious Latin alderve you've had a good innings champion, apart from 'Tarver being bigger than Hopkins',.. Hopkins is / was the thicker more musclebound fighter, where as Tarver only one inch taller, was a lean meatless, overrated dormant motherfucker who Chad Dawson would have annihilated in 3 rounds by the time Hopkins capitalised on an extremely weak link.

 

please refer to him as SOPPLY

 

LOL. You p*ssy. I said "down a few times". Twice. A few times. What is the f*cking difference?

ALL of Calzaghe's defenses were against mediocre fighters.

He had two belts...NEITHER of WHICH meant SH!T as Joe Cal is/was THE MAN at 168. They were as meaningless as Jopy and Holmes holding belts at 160 during Ex's reign. How you can say he is more relevant because he held 2 worthless belts instead of one is irrelevant because neither of those belts he got by beating Calzaghe.

Wrd.

 

You are correct I've only seen him 2 times. But you know what that's what makes me not crown him like everyone else has. The guy has beaten who? What big name or big time fighters has he beaten. You have to beat someone to beconsidered the man. You know what kills me is that people say that Roy was only a title holder in the heavyweight division because he beat Ruiz and we all know that Lewis was the true champion but yet Kessler gets props for beating scrubs to win his titles and gets hella credit for doing so and gets crowned as the second coming. I stand corrected he is not a prospect however he ain't world class yet cause he ain't proved shit. However if you wonna crown his ass go right on ahead. I'm not. I'll Holla 5000

 

I've actually had the 'pleasure' of reading all of your posts in this thread, but I've chosen this one to reply to as it is perhaps the most ludicrous of a seriously bad bunch.

Before I start, let me say firstly that Bernard's resume IS better than Joe's, and that Joe is simply saying this shit as it's all part of the promotional game. He can't exactly stand there and say 'well, Bernard has fought loads of top dudes and I've fought nowhere near that many, BUT I'll win anyway' ::

However, you are seriously underestimating Joe.

For you to insinuate that the best fighter Joe has fought is Charles Brewer is laughable. You think he's better than Chris Eubanks? Mikkel Kessler? These guys are mediocre? :notallthere:

As you yourself have said whilst trying to denigrate Kessler to the status of a 'prospect' :: (which I'll return to in a bit), Joe is 'THE MAN' at 168. This is about the only sensible thing you have posted. He didn't get that status by 'fighting no-one', did he? Of course he didn't. He cleaned out the entire division. He won a title from a great, long standing champion ten years ago, fought some good and some shit fighters (like everyone does, btw) then he fought Lacy, who A LOT of people picked to beat Joe and was a slight favorite at the bookies, and won every minute of every round to effectively finish Lacy as a fighter. Then he fought and outclassed Kessler.

Dude, Amir Khan is a 'prospect'. Povetkin is a 'prospect'. Mikkel Kessler was a TWO belt (not one, as someone else has pointed out to you), unbeaten, fringe/possible top ten P4P WORLD CHAMPION. All of the guys people criticised Joe for having not fought, Kessler has beaten. Guys like Andrade, who got battered from pillar to post, Mundine, who was outclassed and Beyer, who was flattened inside three rounds. Kessler had lost maybe a dozen rounds in his entire pro career before he fought Joe. The fight itself was pretty much a 50/50 fight at the bookies. A LOT of people, including some very respected guys on this site (Donnybrook and REED are the first two that spring to mind) picked Kessler to beat Joe.

Joe only really became THE MAN at 168 when he fought and handily beat Mikkel Kessler. To say that Mikkel's belts were 'meaningless' is insane- prior to that fight, many people thought that Mikkel Kessler was 'THE MAN' at 168.

Have you even seen Kessler fight? He has an excellent defence, sound footwork and hand speed, punches straight and hard and has a good chin. Yet you rag on his footwork and defense and call him medicore... ::

As someone else says- before you start posting and ragging on guys, it might help if you have some kind of clue about the subject on which you are ragging. Because you sure as hell have no clue about Joe Calzaghe, Mikkel Kessler or the 168 division generally. :doh:

MTF

(Oh, and no amount of butting, grabbing, gouging, groin shots or spoiling generally will prevent Joe from retiring Hopkins. Joe will win a wide and sometimes ugly UD)

 

I've seen him fight a whole bunch of times, and he IS world class. That doesn't mean that he is going to go down in history or anything like that, but he is a fucking good fighter. He beat everyone at 168 there was to beat bar Joe, who is a guaranteed future HOF-er.

He isn't as good as some would like to believe, but he is better than I think you think he is. The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle opcorn:

 

I didn't think much of the DLH win at all. I guess it helps that it was fought at a catchweight of 158 helps (Hopkins actually got down to 156), but still, I rank Hopkins's wins over guys like Johnson, Joppy, Eastman, and Echols over that win over DLH.

Tito at least had destroyed Joppy, who was considered by most the 2nd best middleweight out there, prior to fighting Hopkins.

DLH's foray above 154 consisted of a gift over Felix Sturm.

 

Yes, I have seen Kessler fight.

Excellent defense? WRONG.

Sound footwork? WRONG.

And FYI, the kncklehead that tried to argue that I have an idea of what I am talking about when I said "Joe has been down a few times" got his knickers in a twist because I use the word "few" as opposed to the word "two". Talk about splitting short hairs and then crying like a b!tch, and then claiming I haven't a clue what Im talking abut? Please.

Kessler had two belts. BFD. He was a Keith Holmes. A William Joppy. A belt holder, but NOT the man, and if you can point out any major publication (perhaps the Ring) that listed him as such, I'll bow out.

Again, Big F*cking Deal. Lacy was a pup. 21 fights under his belt. A f*cking pup. Looked vulnerable in fights before Calzaghe and looks just as vulnerable since. Prove me wrong.

That's all you needed to say.

 

Let me clear up some things

1. Sopply is a good fighter

2. Kessler is a bum
3. Lacy is a total bum

4. Hopkins is amazing

 

YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR

 

He'd whip your Yankee ass like a two-dollar whore... ::

 

He's a provocotive lil' thing is our own Brother LOK. I've taken now to just humoring him... ::

 

I would bet money that I'd make Kessler a bitch

 

Who had Kessler listed near the top 10 p4p. I would love to see that shit. You know what Kessler is to me. He's the 2007 University of Hawaii Warriors. A fighter with some skills like Colt Brennan and who was dominate against weak ass oppostion. But then stepped up against a BSC squad Georgia=Calzaghe and got smashed. Kessler has alot more to prove. You can't just annoint him as the second coming because he beat everyone in front of him. WHo were the guys that were put in front of him other then Calzaghe? His resume has 1 BCS team/fighter which Calzaghe and a bunch of no namers. The jury is still out on this cat and he needs to step up and start making some big fights instead of having people assume that he's a great fighter. I mean anybody can have decent foot and hand speed and throw straight punches against mediocore talent. I'll Holla 5000

 

Dude Kessler throws straight punches, has decent hand speed, and decent footwork. You would not stand a chance. I'll Holla 5000

 

dsimon writes:

Yeah but Kessler comes from a civilized country. He needs to spend some time in the Ghetto on the street here to learn how to handle bigger fish.

 

yes, kessler was ranked around the top 10 p4p, mentioned in the 2 or 3 "almosts", nearly making it into the top 10.

someone should set up a historical ranking site, so you can see people's p4p rankings at any time.

 

Its like people saying Zoo was p4p #2 when Hatton beat him.

 

I still think Kessler is a top 10 p4p guy.

 

Get the F*CK outta my face with that bullsh!t. P4P? Pull out any ring mag. He might have been over in Denmark, but this is the states, jack. The mecca. We include everybody out there, and Kessler was EXCLUDED. Who the f*ck had he fought/beat? NOOO BAAAA DEEEE. NOBODY!

 

Hopkins was never pp4 #1. After Roy was dethroned, Mayweather became number one. I don't give a shit what people were saying about Hopkins back then, he was never as good as Floyd.

 

Undeserving or not, Tszyu was ranked #3 in The Ring's p4p rankings when he lost to Hatton.

 

People were very happy with him after the Judah fight. He looked like crap though in the Leja fight

 

:: at Calzaghe


Calzaghe wasn't ever regarded as the main man at 168 for 90% of his career