Calzaghe sucks...Worst champ in boxing

....first pro fight aside

 

He's also a hardcore Obama supporter to say the least::

 

No, you've got to be good to beat Bernard Hopkins.

 

woo hoo!!

this enhances roy jones legacy

 

I picked him to beat all three. But if he fights Jones next, he will lose.

 

I think you're insane, Kenneth... but shit, I hope you're right. ::

 

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I'm really surprised at people on here. What makes people think it's set in stone that Calzaghe beats Jones? I'll tell you something - I've been telling Zach Levin for nearly two years now that Roy came back for Joe Calzaghe. Simple. It's the fight he wants and he's willing to take short change (it's not about the money) AND fly to Wales in order to make it happen.

Peep what Jones did - he took a "test the waters" bout against Badi Ajamu and shut him out. Took on Hanshaw and pretty much did the same thing. In both those bouts, he WELCOMED fighting against the ropes while showing a completely different style in the center of the ring; that pseudo Winky-style with his hands up and using the jab MUCH much more. He's been working on his inside game for years now--you saw glimpses of it against Tarver in the 5th round of their rubber match. Against Hanshaw, he basically won that fight against the ropes.

If anything, it's the center of the ring where he's most vulnerable. He's far more conventional now but still throws in his trademark leaping hooks and uppercuts every now and then. Mixed in with his new style, it's ok but he stands a chance to get caught midair and laid the fukk out.

Jones is HUNGRY. And focused. He took the Tito fight with NO guarantee. It was pretty much the same deal he gave Ruiz. Plus, he went all the way down to 169 just to make it happen and, in the end, he wasn't the one with weight issues. He's not playing. And now his confidence is back. Sure he's slowed down but come on, it's not like he's slow. He's still got the fastest hands in the division and he's still hard to hit. How can a fighter as intelligent as Jones NOT make the necessary adjustments. He has.

You think Jones didn't see all these flaws in Calzaghe already? He screamed for the fight before Hops got it - and he was scared to death because, just like in 2001, Hops could've ruined his potential megabout.

And now it could go down. Jones will jab, move and lead with straight rights early on. Calzaghe will bull his way in during the middle rounds and much of the bout will be fought with Jones' back against the ropes.

Think Toney-Jirov. I may end up looking like an idiot but...I doubt it. In fact, I'm psyched. Every great fighter has that last great fight. Roy Jones will be at his very best come November 15th. And that will be good enough to stop the new light heavyweight champion.

 

this thread starter is spot on :clap:

Hopkins was dead tired in the final rounds and was just looking to finish the fight on his feet...was looking for any chance he could get to get a rest


Hopkins age was a deciding factor

 

But when Jones goes to the ropes and covers up, he leaves himself open for a lot of punches. His defense may be reminiscent of Winky's in how he holds his hands, but it's much more porous, and he's not nearly as adept at not only blocking punches but also answering back as Wright.

Plus, Wright would often be moving forward when he was in that posture, Jones does it going backward/staying put. Jones will also stay in that defensive position longer than Wright, who would interrupt/disrupt his opponent's offense. Jones is more ready to wait til his opponent stops punching before he punches back.

I think one of the main reasons Jones wants to fight Calzaghe, outside of the obvious money and stature the fight would bring this late in his career, but Calzaghe's also the smallest (until you get to Pavlik at 160). They're both about the same size, and Calzaghe's still really a natural super middleweight, IMO, and he's not really a hard puncher.

It's a better option than any of the three light heavyweights that fought on Showtime a couple weeks ago...and it would probably be more financially rewarding.

 

:dunno: :notallthere:

 

:clap: correctamundo!

 

I think you could take a jackhammer

with a glove on the end and only end up tagging hopkins maybe 30 punches per round. He mad joe miss a lot. That's damn hard to do. I don't think joe can beat roy jones, but if he does it would be a miracle.

 

too bad slaps dont count :dunno:

 

This is false. I think you're gonna be very surprised at Jones' style on the inside when he meets Calzaghe. He attempted to bait Tito there but the Boricua wisely stayed away from coming inside, even as Jones stood against the ropes (remember that's where everyone said Tito MIGHT be able to hurt him?). After seeing the Hanshaw bout, Trinidad realized that's the last place he needed to be against Roy.

I'm not sure where you get the idea he leaves himself open for punches against the ropes. That was four years ago. he's had plenty of time to adjust and he has. As for his defense being more porous than Winky's...are you serious? Not even on his worst day.

Wrong again. Jones employs that Winky style ONLY moving forward. The rest of your statement is true.

Yeah...so you're saying what I'm saying. In other words, he's targeting Calzaghe because he feels he has the tools, style, etc. to beat him. Jones believes he matches up well against him...and he's RIGHT.

Fa sho. But let's not act as if he's getting the lion's share. he's gonna have to swallow his pride at the negotiating table, like he did with Tito. And he will. He's already agreed to the short end AND to fly to Wales.

Man, you guys are in for a shock. But really I don't know why you'd be surprised. Who's the best fighter of this generation? And one of its smartest? He's been busy in the lab making the proper adjustments. You'll see on November 15th.

 

jones will be tired after 5 rounds or so. calzaghe wins this in a convincing manner.

 

pretty bad preformance by Joe.. he could have done a LOT better or maybe he couldnt.. I hope we get to see Joe get stopped! I still want to see him LAID the F out

 

Right after the fight, you said you were impressed by Joe.::

 

well.. I gotta be a little impressed. I thought he was gonna be dropped 6 times and stopped!

but.. looking at his "win" and re-watching the fight I was just in awe as to the fact that his team did not tell him nor did he try more to use the straight left in the manner Hops uses the straight right, Joe's speed was good enough and he could have put some more heat on it and really had something

 

Calzaghe, while not a hard puncher, still made Bernard Hopkins uncomfortable with his activity and pace.
He will torture Roy Jones. Roy doesn't like the pace being forced on him, especially at this point in his career.
If Calzaghe and Roy fight, I'll put 500 on Calzaghe, hell I'll even give you 2-1. Its just not a close fight on paper, Calzaghe at this stage is so much better than Roy.
I mean a win over a Trinidad that hasn't beaten a legit top 10 fighter in...well years and wins over Badi Ajamu and Hanshaw isn't even in the same galaxy as taking on someone like Calzaghe. I wanna know how RJJ lovers get the balls to think Roy would beat a P4P calibur fighter after the 3rd tarver fight, or even the Glen Johnson fight.
Is he "back" now, is he no longer shot? How does that work?

 

True. Also true that Hopkins made him fight at half the pace Joe normally fights at simply by landing a few clean counters. Please keep that in mind.

Absolutely false. Actually, false throughout Jones' career with the exception of the Johnson fight. Anthony Hanshaw threw more punches against Jones than Calzaghe did Saturday night. By the middle to late rounds, Jones was matching him punch for punch. It's not the activity that will trouble Jones, it's where the fight will be fought. Jones would prefer it on the ropes, I can assure.

I've concluded I don't wanna bet money. Just not my style - have never done it and won't start now. But I'll take a sig bet.

Hehe...depends on what you're looking for. Any genius could've seen during the third Tarver fight that Jones - while his reflexes have slowed and legs are nearly gone - still has what it takes to beat the best, just not the confidence. That's what Badi Ajamu was for. Hanshaw as well. He's been fine-tuning his style.

Aaron, you're much smarter than that. Jones has slowed. His legs have as well. But his hands are still fast, he still has pop. The biggest thing, however, is that he realizes he's not the same fighter. And he's adjusted accordingly.

Man, I'm tired of explaining. Sign the f*cking contract Calzaghe. The man is offering to take 40% and fight in your backyard. TAKE THE FIGHT - since it's gonna be so easy

 

Here's what I don't understand.

There are people here, people who actually know and understand boxing, who appear to have forgotten or choose to forget basic facts.

Roy Jones Junior WAS one of the greatest fighters of all time. I have said before and I say again that if Jones fought Calzaghe at any time up to and including 2002, he would have been just too fast for Calzaghe and would quite possibly have stopped him late on. Failing that, he would have won a clear decision.

But that was SIX years ago, and in that time, Roy has declined beyond recognition. He is still an able fighter, but his days as an elite fighter are long behind him, sadly. Those bad, bad defeats to Tarver and Johnson were no flukes. They were clear indications of his inability to use his reflexes to protect what many felt he always had- a slightly suspect chin. No fighter in history has arguably relied so much on reflexes as Roy, and, unfortunately for him, it is an irrefutable and inescapable fact that reflexes slow with age. Victories against average guys like Hanshaw and a blown up and equally old and faded Tito Trinidad can not and should not hide a fact that was universally accepted a few short years ago.

Roy Jones Junior is shot to pieces.

THIS version of Jones has no business, beyond money, being in the same ring as Joe Calzaghe. Joe is the undefeated, undisputed champion at 168. To some, his victory on Saturday also makes him 'the man' at 175. He is an elite fighter very near the peak of his powers, albeit that I personally think he is beginning to show signs of a slow decline. He has just beaten a fellow P4P fighter in Hopkins. Prior to this, he beat a fringe P4P fighter and two-belt champion in Kessler. This is a far, far cry beating from the likes of Hanshaw and Tito circa 2007.

IMO, this fight is now a mismatch in favour of the Welshman and shouldn't be happening. If it does, I'll be lumping very heavily on Joe to prevail. A much better fight for Joe would be Pavlik, who not only has a lot more credibility at this stage but is also made to measure for Joe. Pavlik is a great attacking, 'come ahead and pressure' fighter, whilst Joe is essentially a counter puncher who likes to pick his man off as he attacks and then get out range before beginning again.

That is a much closer, more credible fight for Joe right now. However, it is clear that Jones is still a 'name' and would almost certainly bring more money, so that is where Calz will go. Sadly.

MTF

 

Watch the Hanshaw fight again. He did it continuously.

Trinidad is much easier to fight against, because he doesn't have nearly the punch-variety, or overall variety for that matter, that Calzaghe has.

He's targeting Calzaghe because I think it's the biggest money fight, but also because he believes he might have a chance to beat him...much more than the light heavyweights...plus he won't take as much punishment. That's not the same as thinking he can surely beat him.

But beating Calzaghe right now would actually do more for his career, and IMO, he'd actually have a greater chance than beating Johnson, Tarver or Johnson. Meaning, I don't he thinks he can beat any of them.

Frankly, I think the only one he would have fought was Woods, had he been successful (but then Woods probably would have ended up fight Calzaghe instead of Jones, anyways).

Jones knows the deal. He was at the post-fight press conference and asked for a fight as about as politely as I've even seen a fighter do it. He also talked to the British press for at least 10-15 minutes while they were waiting for the fighters and that fight was in the headlines over there on Sunday/Monday.

It looks inevitable.

 

I did. Ringside. And then proceeded to harass him with questions for nearly 20minutes following the bout. And then I watched the bout again, again and again via DVR.

Ok...

Ok...

Umm...ok...

Well thank God Jones doesn't feel the way you do. He wants Calzaghe and is willing to take short money and fly to Wales. End of story.

You mean, he's doing everything he can to fight this guy. But he doesn't REALLY think he's gonna win. He must be broke...

Oh yeah. Can't wait.

 

You watched it that many times and didn't think he left himself very available against the ropes?

Then we saw two different fights.

Jones has fought below light heavyweight once in the last decade. There's a reason a fighter who basically spent 10 years at 175 is looking for fights at 168 (or 170), or at least against 168-pounders (and really below that in the case of Trinidad), and I don't think it's as much about confidence as it is about not wanting to take punishment.

He doesn't want to get hurt, but he also doesn't want to be fighting in Idaho or Mississippi.

This is why Europe has become such a good option for him.

 

Available for what? He smothered most of the shots, made the rest miss and was still in range to fire back. Without having to use his legs. That is the very purpose of going against the ropes. Sure, some shots got through but this is boxing. And Jones realizes it's better to get hit with the punch you see coming then the one you don't anticipate, particularly in the center of the ring.

LOL@ looking. He didn't want the fight against Tito at 170. Trinidad's handlers demanded the fight at 170. They thought - like so many others - Jones would weaken himself doing so. They should've looked in the mirror. Furthermore, how many light heavyweights are better than Joe Calzaghe? What are you saying?

Sure. But he did. I don't understand your point here.

FIghting Joe Calzaghe in Wales is a good option? So then we agree? ::

 

Hanshaw is a B or C level fighter. Just because he could deal with some of what Hanshaw brought, and I don't think he did as well as you seem to think, doesn't mean he can deal with Calzaghe, and I thought his defense was very porous in that fight. And Jones's mentality isn't to answer back while his opponent is still punching...and I'd expect Calzaghe will make it a point to flurry...which will win points.

Jones isn't Hopkins and he isn't Wright, defensively. I think the comparisons are way off base.

I wasn't talking about "looking" at the weight...he's interested in fighting smaller fighters. The weight didn't matter in the Trinidad fight. The fact is, Trinidad was way beyond his best weight class and age...and the fact is, he came out of a three year retirement for the fight.

Trinidad would've looked worse at a higher weight...because he doesn't add good weight when he moves up to these higher weights, he just gets heavier...and the later it is in his career doesn't help.

I don't think Calzaghe is at his best at light heavyweight. He fought one fight at the weight, and I think style-wise Hopkins might've been a better option for him than against some of the other ones.

His activity level would do more for him against Hopkins than it would against the others.

The point about Idaho and Mississippi is Jones doesn't want to take punishent, but he also doesn't want to be irrelevent. Staying at light heavyweight and avoiding tough fights makes it harder to get paid. Going down the weight scale and making himself available for Europe helps him avoid rematches with Glen Johnson or Antonio Tarver, or taking on Chad Dawson.

 

i thought roy's supposed to fight beyer in germany?

 

I can refute everything you said here with simply "JOE C is basically a BUM"