Calzaghe sucks...Worst champ in boxing

He's entertained that fight.

He's also been linked to talks with Jermain Taylor, which Dibella has wanteds to make later this year.

Neither of them are real light heavyweights.

 

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Kenneth you freak.

And when you say "OK" are you being sarcastic? Are you implying that Calzaghe doesn't bring far more variety than sloppy feet plodding Tito?

 

LOL. Of course not. I'm agreeing. LOL.

 

Hanshaw is a B level fighter. And he got treated like one. If you thought his defense was porous in that fight, I suggest YOU go back and watch it. Porous? :: Porous is Joe Calzaghe. Too bad Hops only threw 5 punches a round - he was landing 4 of them.

Yeah...Jones' mentality isn't to answer while his opponent is punching...unless his opponent provides an opportunity to counter-punch. Like Calzaghe does (didn't you just see Hopkins do this?). And then Jones - one of the best counterpunchers in the game - will do just that.

No, he's better than Wright defensively. He's not quite Hopkins but offensively, he's far better.

What makes you think he's interested in fighting smaller fighters? He called out EVERY fighter not named Glenn Johnson (LOL) prior to the Tito fight. He even contemplated going back to heavy. Tito came out of retirement and called him out. What other options did Jones have to get back on HBO and get his name back in the mix? Your assumption is completely false and quite frankly, you pulled it out of thin air or your a**. Pick one.

True. And...?

Well he's probably fighting Jones at 175 so get ready. And style-wise, Jones represents an entirely different puzzle.

Others? I'm talking about Jones and Jones only. And his activity level will dip. Like it did on Saturday, following a few counters.

What does fighting in Idaho and Mississippi have to do with not taking punishment? And how does fighting on a no-name PPV in BOISE make you relevant? WTF? Roy Jones? The HBO poster boy? Is taking fights in Boise off-TV to stay relevant? Ok...

Yeah...he's ducking fighters so he can face the oh-so-unbeatable Calzaghe. Sure. If you say so. I could care less. My point is, he will beat Calzaghe. End of story.

 

Jones backed up to the ropes, and just put his hands in front of his face and if Hanshaw had the ability he could have taken more advantage of it. Wright's defense when he puts his hands up in front of him is much tighter. I really can't believe this is debatable.

You talk about Jones like he had the mentality and athletic ability he had back in his prime. He doesn't have nearly the same confidence in himself and it's been clearly evident to me.

What does calling out Johnson have to do with anything?

If you take every fighter seriously because they mention a name, then whatever.

He fought Trinidad, he'll likely fight Calzaghe, but he's also been talked about with Beyer and Taylor.

Calzaghe's the only light heavyweight in the group, and he's been there one fight, and I'm not sure I'd take him against Tarver, Johnson or Dawson at that weight.

Jones against mediocre light heavywights aren't big fights, which is why they were in Idaho and Mississippi.

If he wanted to take on some of the class of the division he would've tried harder to fight the other light heavies. He hasn't proven he wants any of them.

Jones hasn't shown he wants any part of Johnson or Tarver.

Calzaghe presents less risk to him than either of them and it's a bigger fighter.

It works out well for Jones, which is why he was at the fight and pushing so hard for it two nights ago.

 

It's not debateable. Jones is a better defensive fighter than Wright. End of story. How many times does Jones get hit clean? Please. And Hanshaw landed about 5 clean shots the whole fight on Jones' face. You can't be serious.

:doh: You haven't read my posts obviously. I spend a lot of talking about Jones' slowed skills and the adjustments he's made.

i don't know. truth be told, I don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. I said Jones will fight Calzaghe next and beat him. That's all I'm saying. I could give two sh*ts about what weight Tito is good at, why he fought in Boise or anything else.

See what I mean? Who cares? I'm talking about Calzaghe-Jones. Can we stick to that?

We'll see who Calzaghe fights next. If it's Jones, he loses. NEXT.

I agree.

Yeah, let's knock Jones for doing the smart thing this time and taking some warm ups before he steps to the big boys. CLEARLY, he's doing that because he has no heart. I mean, it's not like he took a long layoff and then climbed back in the ring with the guy who KO'ed him and stole his aura of invincibility in his first fight back. I mean, Jones would never do that! Oh wait...isn't that what he did against Tarver?

Please see above re: Tarver. As for Johnson, please read Jones' latest interview. Thank you.

I agree. So we agree! Good, let's end this debate.

 

I understand that fanatics aren't rational. RJJ was tortured by Glencoffe Johnson, and put up a nothing effort against Tarver, the same Tarver who an old Bernard Hopkins proceeded to crucify. Those are the last two top 10 level fighters he has fought. Beating sparring partners and nobodies doesn't mean you can hang with one of the best in the world.

Roy being live against Calzaghe is about as logical as saying Baldomir was live against Mayweather. In fact, it would've been more legit since Baldomir had beaten Judah, the reigning undisputed WW champ at the time.

Roy is a has-been. He is not a top 5 fighter anymore, and Calzaghe will punish him if they fight.

 

i dont know what this barristan dude is trying to say, but NO ONE looks good against hopkins. if anything, i give calzaghe (an aging veteran himself) credit for doing his best and winning the fight down the stretch.

despite his low level competition throughout his reign, overall, he has wins over eubank, brewer, mitchell, kessler, reid, lacy, and hopkins, combined by 21 consecutive title defenses, two unification wins, and above all, an unbeaten record.

this guy has had a great career.

 

This is what has really surprised me in the last few days.

Even though Joe won the fight, a lot of people here seem really surprised that he didn't look great in the process, I mean wtf :dunno:

Like I said before, nobody ever has, and nobody ever shall look good against Hopkins. It's impossible.

 

much agreed Joony:bears:

 

preach:bears:

Calzaghe was as impressive as anyone has been in the past.

And before we get on the "well Hopkins didn't throw much" brigade, he never throws alot of punches.

Out of Winky Wright, Antonio Tarver, Roy Jones, Tito Trinidad, DLH, Joe Calzaghe...who landed the most punches against Hopkins...ever?


Ah thats right, CALZAGHE did.

 

I think you need to be a little more analytical than that. Using this logic, Calzaghe should've had an easier time against Sakio Bika than he did Jeff Lacy. He didn't.

Very, very dumb. I'm not sure how to respond to this except to say...we'll see.

Great. Make the fight, Joe. PLEASE!

*Prays East in the direction of Wales**

 

Yeah, I'm surprised that people thought Calzaghe would have an easy time or look good. No effin way.

But was he as impressive? Idk. Hopkins is 43. And looked somewhat sh*tty in his last fight before this. Actually, he showed his age quite a bit against Wright. So it's hard to say, seeing as how Calzaghe fought the oldest, and worst version.

 

yeah he looked real bad Torturing the guy coming off a win over RJJ, and then over Winky Wright, a consensus top 5 P4Per at the time.

Real scrubby competition that he was beating and showing his age against::

 

Yup indeedy...:bears:

 

Sometimes you're astute and your posts are extremely underrated IMO. This isn't one of them.

Not the same Hopkins who fought Tarver. Not at all. And if you remember, I was one of the few on this board saying Tarver had no shot to beat Hops. In fact, I picked Hopkins to stop him (I think he could've if he pushed in the final rounds).

Winky at 154 was a top five p4p'er. 160...maybe. 170, 35 and fat? Not at all. And Hops looked old that fight. It's why I picked I picked Calzaghe to win ugly. Just didn't think the old man could handle it.

Really, I don't know what you're saying. You think Jones' is shot? OK. Not too many fighters agree with you.

 

You can end this any time you want by not replying.

Jones is a better defensive fighter at this point in his career?

If you say so. Hanshaw and Trinidad are real proving grounds for that.

But if the opportunity exists and a fighter can't take advantage of it, it doesn't mean the opportunity doesn't still exist.

But regarding his defense, you claimed "Jones employs that Winky style ONLY moving forward."

I think that is flat out false. He did it as he was backing into the ropes agaisnt Hanshaw, and he did it often in that fight. And when he did it, his guard wasn't tight, because he didn't keep them together nearly as tightly as Wright.

Plus, he wasn't looking to answer back the same way Wright does it. Winky breaks opponent's offense down by coming forward and timing his punches between theirs.

Jones does it almost purely as a defensive tactic. Not only isn't his as sharp, but he doesn't punch out if it as well.

If you disagree with that, fine.

As for knocking Jones, I haven't knocked him for wanting Calzaghe.

I think it's smart what he's done.

He kept himself active and is now in a position to take smart fights. I'm jus pointing out why they're smart. He's getting paid well and taking on smaller fighters.

 

Whatever, dude. See you in November.

 

I think beating Anthony Hanshaw and Prince Badi Ajamu doesn't put you in line for being favored over Joe Calzaghe.

Say what you want about Hopkins' age or whatever, who has beaten the better competition over the last 2 years Calzaghe or Roy?

Now ask youself what happened the last two times Roy Jones fought a top 10 fighter?

Now tell me how he could be favored over Calzaghe, because at this point, they are in separate classes as far as calibur of fighter.

 

RJJ is not the defensive fighter that Winky is.

 

tito won 3 rounds vs. jones. calzaghe should win at least 9.

jones might not be antwun echols shot, but he's clearly not formidable enough to beat a top fighter at this point.

 

Who said he should be favored? Not I. All I'm saying is he's gonna win.

 

Nonsense. Winky was never the defensive fighter Roy was. In his prime, Roy was the most unhittable cat in the game. Yeah, he's slowed some but he's not Arturo Gatti.

Good Lord. Winky had a great turtle shell defense but it was never anywhere near the top of the sport. Just wow...

 

I don't see how Roy could be Favored but he will win if it happens. He'll dominate Joe C and make him look like a Welsh tomato can

 

Roy doesn't have the legs or punch to beat a fighter that applies pressure like Calzaghe.

 

Why even mention Jones's prime?

It's completely irrelevent to the discussion.

As is Gatti.

 

Huh?

Winky Wright doesn't have a better defense than Roy Jones. Not then, not now. Jones has slowed and in one year, was stopped twice. But the day JC Candelo hits him repeatedly, I might consider him worse defensively than Winky. And that was in Winky's prime. He's only 3 years younger than Roy so he's no spring chicken himself. Cats act like Roy has no defense now or something. Like I said, we'll see.

No, Winky Wright is not better than Roy defensively. Now kindly remove your tonsils off my nuts.

 

His defense was predicated on his speed, so yeah, it's a big deal when he slows down.

Trnidad had more success against Jones in 2008 at 170 than he had against Wright in 2005 at 160.

But that's not indicative of Roy's defense at this stage of the game.

Nice use of colorful language.

That's high class, quality stuff.

 

How elementary of you. If speed is what makes defense, Zab Judah really would've been Sweet Pea with power. Intelligence, ring generalship, timing and being able to anticipate are pretty important.

You mean losing a wide unanimous decision both times? Getting dropped twice against Jones? Oh wait, you're referring to the body shots Jones gave him as he snickered at his power? Another elementary argument. A looked like this against B and B looked like this against C so...

Right.

Thank you, sir.

 

I didn't say every fighter's defense is predicated on speed.

But Roy's was.

He also relied on getting his opponent's respect by hitting them on the way in becuase that would give him better distance in the fight. He can't do that as well as he used to, either.