Calzaghe sucks...Worst champ in boxing

We'll see. Sshhh...Joon. I still remember you laughing at me for my Hops-Tarver pick.

Anyway...Jones is not shot. We shall see...

 

I think he's partly in denial. He's not an idiot, but he's either such a big fan of Roy that he makes REED look like a hater, or in denial.

I guess it's similar to Tyson. Many Tyson fans, including me, had a hard time accepting that Tyson was done.

Roy beating Tito was testament to tito being smaller and crap, not Roy suddenly overcoming his shotness ::

It's not like it was even a really easy fight, a clear win, but prime Roy would have fucking destroyed tito, he wouldn't have even landed a punch, and he certainly wouldn't have finished the fight standing.

 

I love Roy but, trust me, I'm pretty objective when it comes to him. I learned a while ago not to put your heart into predictions. In fact, I picked Tarver to beat Roy two out of three times...the first two. I just felt he had the style. So I can be objective.

The Tito fight doesn't confirm for me that Roy is back. I'm of the opinion he never left. Has he slowed? Sure. Shot? not at all. And I know plenty of fighters who agree.

Look man, I'm in the minority here and I can live with that. I just hope the fight gets made. That's all.

 

Kenneth what do you think of the Johnson fight?

 

Which one?

 

The obvious one ::

 

Roy Jones-Reggie Johnson?

 

Nope, Roy Jones - Glen Johnson.

 

I don't get it. You mean, against Jones?

If yes, I think a number of things. I don't think that's a sign of Jones being physically shot at all. That was a sign of someone whose confidence was shot. Should not have taken that fight so soon. Not only was he mentally unprepared, but he trained a grand total of two weeks for that bout. And completely underestimated Glenn Johnson. I mean...four months after Tarver undressed you? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Glen Johnson is the type of fighter Jones relishes. That style is tailor made for him. But he just didn't have the confidence in himself to throw back that night. Such a pity.

I believe that his confidence is back. Which is why I believe Calzaghe loses to Jones. And if you listened to Jones' interview following Saturday's bout, he said that it appeared Dawson would fight Tarver, he wasn't interested in Woods and so if he was unable to get Calzaghe, he would take Glen Johnson.

But...Calzaghe will take the fight. And I either look like an idiot, or not so crazy. Again, we'll see.

 

Did he seriously only train 2 weeks for that fight?

Who would you pick if that fight was to happen next month?

 

i give you credit on that, but didnt you pick mosley over cotto? ::

i can't really see how this version of roy beats calzaghe, but i guess it's not out of the realm of possibility since joe himself is in decline.

you seem TOO confident in your pick, but i guess that's understandable since you're probably the biggest roy lover on this board (i dont think anyone watched the handshaw fight more than once :: )

 

I couldn't believe it after I read that. Immediately after watching it live, Kenneth went home and watched it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

 

Less than two weeks, according to some people. Mentally, he just wasn't there.

I'd have that a toss-up. Tough, tough fight to call. I think Johnson still beats a lot of dudes. But it won't be like the first time,t hat I can assure you.

 

I don't remember if I picked Mosley or not but seriously, wasn't that a close fight? Don't understand what you are saying.

If I'm too confident in my pick it's because I had a sneaking suspicion this fight was gonna go down a very, very long time ago. As I said, I believe Jones returned with Calzaghe in mind. Zach and I have been talking about this fight since Badi Ajamu. And I told him then that it was gonna happen. I also told him that Hops would lose to Calzaghe (first time I ever went against BHop) but, along the way, he'd expose his flaws.

Joon, I'm not bugging. Back on 15rounds.com, I tabbed Joe C. to beat Lacy. I always liked the guy. But he's sloppy. That plays into Roy's hands. Let me put it this way...when you watched the 5th round of Tarver-Jones III, didn't you ask yourself, "what the fukk is wrong with him? Why is he too scared to do this every round?" Ask yourself this...what if that confidence has returned? What if?

 

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It's how I do my homework. I think a lot of people keep looking at Roy today and comparing him to the old Roy. And then they say, "oh, he's shot." LOL. That's just a bad assessment. Shot fighters don't beat the living sh*t out Anthony Hanshaw. Not saying Hanshaw is world class but you wanna see a shot fighter? Go watch Antwun Echols.

It's that fight that leads me to believe Jones' confidence has returned. he did everything he said he would. He said he would stand and trade more, that he would sit on his punches and that - unlike before - he would take a couple shots early on just to deal with them and see what he could handle. The Jones who fought Johnson would've folded against Hanshaw. Call me crazy or a :cheer:. We'll see.

 

I think you're wrong, I think he is more physically shot than anything. Confidence was in issue in the 3rd tarver fight, that was obvious, but not so much against the Coffe.

He still has decent pop and his excellent handspeed but pretty much all his other attributes have eroded badly.

I think if they had a rematch, Glen would beat his arse almost as bad as the first time to be honest.

I just think Jones more or less aged overnight.

 

How does echols look these days? A few of you have referenced his shotness, but I haven't seen any of his recent fights.

How shot does he look?

 

I don't get this..."he still has excellent handspeed" but he's physically shot? How so? Isn't that the first thing to go? Hmmm...

You know what might be shot? His legs. That, I believe, is a serious problem for him. And when I say they might be shot, I mean that he can no longer glide around the ring like he used to - only in spurts now.

Have the reflexes slowed? Sure. But if his reflexes were sky high then they've landed on trees. Meaning, it's still above average. He just has to compensate for that by tweaking his style. And it's really quite impressive how he's done that. But I don't think too many people have noticed the changes. They will, soon enough.

Jones is extremely intelligent, still has power, still has ungodly hand speed and still is a master craftsman. Now he's hungry - with one last shot of greatness. I don't believe my prediction is that far-fetched.

 

More shot than Tony Montana on a balcony. Dude is DONE. Saw him fight Quillin last week...ugh. Legs doing the crip walk after every punch. It's pretty bad, man.

 

Nah, it varies greatly.

I'd actually say the first thing to go is reactions, the ability to react to an opening - "pulling the trigger" - as they say, timing, and punch resistance. Workrate too.

These are the things that have eroded on Jones.

I think you're actually totally wrong about handspeed. They say power is the last thing to go, but I think the 2nd to last thing could be handspeed.

Think about fighters like Leonard, Robinson, and many other fast fighter you can think of. They kept their handspeed for a long, long time.

Mosley is 36, still very fast handed, Calzaghe 36 and a LHW, still has quick hands.

Handspeed is definitely not the first thing to go.

I agree his reflexes and legs have eroded, and I also agree his reflexes are still decent. But his energy, punch resistence and stamina have all taken a hit.

So really, the things have eroded the least are his handspeed and power.

 

You just proved my point. Mosley and Calzaghe...aren't washed up at all .

And his reflexes haven't eroded. LMAO. He's not a punching bag, although some of you like to believe that.

You know what? It's pointless to go back and forth. Like I said, a shot, reflex-eroded fighter gets KO'ed by Prince Badi Adjamu, not win 119-108. Or gets stopped by Anthony Hanshaw...not win 117-109.

You have your opinion, I have mine. Let's hope Calzaghe signs the fight and we get an answer.

 

I'm afraid we won't get to because no way Cal signs

 

Nah, I don't think he completely shot, but he's certainly getting there.

Mosley and Calzaghe aren't shot, I never said they were. But they've certainly lost a step or two since they were under 30, wouldn't you agree?

And what about other fast fighters I mentioned like Robinson and Leonard etc? It's undeniable that handspeed is NOT one of the first thing to go, it actually seems to be one of the last thing to go, and then power.

Reflexes, punch resistance, and stamina all go before handspeed.

Kenneth, no offense, but I think you might be a bit mad. Here is a quote from your last post...

And a previous post...

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I NEVER said his reflexes have GONE and he is a punching bad, merely that they have eroded, which you've already admitted in a previous post.

 

What's so funny? Where did I admit they've eroded? Has he slowed? Sure. But Roy Jones slowing down isn't the same as...Dariusz Michalchewski slowing down. It just means his reflexes aren't out of this world. They are still good, what part of that don't you get? He's adjusted his style accordingly.

Listen man, I'm not gonna get into a pissing match about this like we did Mayweather-Hatton. Let Joe C. sign up for the fight and it's on. It's the biggest moneymaker out there for him and Roy is willing to take short money and fly over there. Then he can beat up on this "eroded" fighter.

 

Roy is done. If he fights Cal he will be lucky to pick up 4 rounds.

 

So in other words, they've eroded. What part of the meaning of the word eroded don't you get?

If they are not as good as they once were, then one can say they have eroded. There is varying degrees of erosion you know, eroded doesn't mean finished.

 

Eroded: destroyed by slow consumption or disintegration.

No, they haven't eroded.

It's so annoying when people start arguing semantics and losing sight of the debate. This happened yesterday twice. I'd rather not go there today.

Bottom line, he's not finished. He's slowed but not done.

I just hope this fight happens...

 

I would say it's your who's arguing semantics Kenneth.

I'm merely trying to explain that I meant his reflexes have - in simple terms - got worse. Not gone completely.

 

Great. We agree. Let's move on.