Can a fighter win a round where he has been knocked down?

everyone knows you lost that round to flex fartwell

 

Rydell just saw that bout for the first time

 

Saw it the morning after it aired---thanks to Bit Torrent.

 

Nobody wins in sparring, Neil. Besides, that's 13 years ago. Why's it matter to you?

 

No it doesn't. The round was not completed and it was not scored, thus nobody won the round :kidcool:

 

precisely

 

I think you'd have a hard time saying Corrales didn't win that round. True it wasn't completed, but Corrales won it. In fact, it's one of the few ways I can imagine it happening if a fighter has been dropped and the opponent doesn't get dropped or get a warning.

As far as scoring goes, Corrales would have to pin Castillo against the ropes a few more times and get a few more standing 8-counts if he were to try to even the round up, but I can't imagine a referee allowing that to happen. The fight gets stopped.

I have a hard time with you saying Corrales didn't win that round when it was the one he TKO'd Castillo in. You really think he didn't win the round?

Also the scenario fits the title of your initial thread question as well as your first paragraph. :kidcool:

 

You're a fucking dullard.

 

No. Rounds are only scored if the fight doesn't end. I don't consider Mike Tyson winning the first round against Michael Spinks either

 

The guy's example clearly doesn't fit the spirit of the thread

 

You believe that a fighter doesn't win a round if they stop someone before the round is over? I disagree and think that the fighter wins the round.

I will discuss and debate this with you, Ugo, because it actually is a discussion and a debate---not pointless insults which detract from your thread.

You started the thread, looking for possibilities. I'm simply exploring a possibility which you disagree with. Your criteria for winning a round is that the round has to be scored. I disagree. I think that a fighter can be winning a round right up until they get stopped. If they get stopped, I believe they didn't win the round because, for whatever reason, they were unable to continue.

So you think that when a fighter knocks someone out, they didn't win the round? I'd like to hear what others think about that belief.

 

The reason I don't include this type of situations is that it is obvious you can win a round this way. You get knocked down, then you punch the other guy so that he gets cut and the bout is stopped - you win even though there is no KD scored for you. A guy can score a KO, stoppage on feet or on cuts etc at any point of the fight, so I don't see there is anything to be discussed in it.

What is worth discussing to me is the interpretation of rules of scoring: is a KD worth so much that you can't lose the round without going down yourself, or is it not. Obviously it doesn't save you from stoppage.

 

A round is only scored if it is completed... The scoring is designed to determine a winner in a bout in which no KO/TKO/DQ occurs.

No one scored the tenth for Corrales or Castillo because scoring was irrelevant as the round was never completed.

I know you haven't watched this sport since the 20th century, but surely you remember scenarios for scoring in the cases of accidental headbutts/injuries that force a fight to be prematurely halted, yes? What language is usually used? "completed rounds" ... (Depending on the rules being followed) "In the event of an accidental headbutt, we go to the scorecards after four COMPLETED rounds", for example

​COMPLETED... THREE MINUTES

 

I was also interested in the interpretation of rules, but from a different vantagepoint because I was trying to think of a round in which the fighter won even though he had been knocked down and his opponent had not.

I checked different sets of boxing rules like the WBC and the Unified Rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions. They make no mention of this scenario other than to say that all rounds are scored, including partial rounds, but I'm not sure if that includes wins by way of stoppage.

I just thought it was interesting to debate/discuss.

 

You're wrong. Partial rounds are scored in the event of an accidental foul. If you weren't so blinded by hatred, maybe you'd take a few seconds to see if you knew what you were talking about because clearly you don't.

http://abcboxing.com/unified_boxing_rules.html

 

Ok, we agree. A person can win a round this way. That was not apparent from the initial post to which I was responding.

I think the answer to your question is found in a few sets of the boxing rules as well.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/How_to_Score_a_Fight

http://boxing.isport.com/boxing-guides/how-the-pro-boxing-scoring-system-works

If a boxer gets knocked down but otherwise dominates a round, a judge could decide that neither boxer won the round because a knockdown occurred but the knocked down fighter dominated the round. It appears to be judge discretion.

 

I stand corrected on that one. I figured only the completed rounds would matter since you need at least 4 completed rounds to even get to that point in the first place.

Still, you have to see how pathetically stupid your hypothetical was? They don't score rounds when a guy gets stopped because it's irrelevant. The point of UGO's thread was glaringly obvious to anyone who isn't a try-hard faggot trying to be cute. He's talking about rounds that actually get officially scored. Rounds where a KO takes place don't.

 

No, I made an error there actuall. What I meant was, it is obvious a fighter can win the FIGHT in a round where he gets knocked down, which is what you have proven (and which to me´seems obvious). However, rounds are not scored when the bout gets stopped, so the question still remains if you can win a round and not the fight. The links you provided didn't answer this, and I don't believe there is a exact rule, which is why it is a matter of an opinion

 

Yes, you can win a round and not the fight. KIDDING---I know you just made another mistake on phrasing for this part of your explanation.

There is no exact rule as far as I have read. It's a matter of opinion, but I think that it would be difficult to give a round to a fighter who:
a) was knocked down
b) did not knock his opponent down, and
c) did not get the referee to stop it by trapping his opponent against the ropes.

 

I could say "There were 9 completed rounds in this hypothetical, so you have to see that your second sentence is completely irrelevant", but that doesn't advance the thread---it just means I can get passive-aggressive with you when I should be discussing the matter at hand.

Also, cdogg, they do score rounds when a guy gets stopped. It depends on the circumstance AND, additionally, there was more than one point to Ugo's thread: he also wanted people to try to come up with possibilities. I was simply trying to come up with a possibility he hadn't considered even if it wasn't exactly what he was looking for.

As for the rest, "dullard, try-hard faggot, trying to be cute", etc, I'm not going to reciprocate with personal attacks on you (I have avoided that intentionally for quite some time now). I didn't retaliate because we ARE here to discuss boxing, right? When we weren't engaging in personal attacks, I thought there was a pretty good discussion about how "a fighter can win a round when he has been knocked down and his opponent hasn't". I learned that the current rules are open to a judge's interpretation, and we see that partial rounds are scored by the Unified Rules. I also learned it's pretty hard to make a case for a fighter who got dropped when his opponent didn't.

 

No, you stupid faggot, the score of a round in which the fight ends due to a KO/TKO doesn't matter and never has mattered. It doesn't get scored, it doesn't get officially acknowledged in any way. Your example was garbage, just like your posts.

 

You really don't understand what I wrote.

I wrote: "Also, cdogg, they do score rounds when a guy gets stopped. It depends on the circumstance..." I didn't say KO/TKO. You stuck that in there and then attributed it to me. Then you spazzed out because that's what you wanted to do in the first place.

I simply wanted to discuss boxing with Ugo. You just wanted to ruin another thread with your personal attacks and histrionics. I imagine people would prefer to see boxing discussed and debated in the General Boxing Discussion Forum. Get over yourself.

 

Listen, you simpleton. The example you introduced to this thread is wrong. End of story.