Can Shamrock beat Tito???

Well, Elvis classifies as a scrub as far as Im concerned. So does Mezger.

Silva, Kondo and Belfort count though. I was talking his title defences though...he fought Silva in Japan or some shit, right? Silva could have won that fight, IMO.

 

:nixweiss:

 

Sinosic is a just a little too weak for 205.....doesnt have the strength to compete with the bigger stronger guys there....

Mezger, he's no scrub....He may not be a top flight fighter, but he's one of those guys that was usually a tough out no matter

 

Okay, I don't follow MMA like I used to (which was hardly at all), but I was watching The Ultimate Fighter 3 the other day...do Shamrock and Tito REALLY hate each other that much? That little pushing/shoving match seemed like it was just a show to hype up the forthcoming PPV.

Also, who was the deaf guy that had to leave due to injuries...was he any good? That was the episode I started with when I was watching, I didn't get to see how he did previously or how he injured himself. I was impressed with how Tito felt about him though, "he can fight in my stable anytime" or something like that.

 

Tito and Ken have REALLY HATE each other for years now.....since UFC 1? i think.....


The deaf guy is Matt Hammil...He's a world class wrestler with a tremendous work ethic according to Ortiz. Some of his stable mates on the show didnt like his attitude, so one guy slipped him a solid high kick in practice, which had his beel rung for a couple of days. Then the guy who is fighting in the finals, Michael Bisping, had Matt in an armbar in practice, and Matt couldnt escape. Rather than tap, Matt let Bisping hold the lock, and ended up tweaking his arm...

Matt's fight on the show was one of the worst technical fights you'll ever see. He's a wrestling dynamo, but wouldnt use his wrestling because he was afraid he wouldnt be able to hold his opponent down due to his bad arm

As for how good he is??? We'll se

 

Could somebody post some vids of Shamrock's recent fights, if you have them?

The last Shamrock fight I saw was that live free show with the guys from Ultimate Fighter 1 (the two guys were fighting for a UFC contract, and they both put on such a show that they both got contracts...isn't one of them named Bonner?). Shamrock lost to one of the Ultimate Fighter guys that night, didn't he?

Also, how are the Ultimate Fighter guys doing in the UFC so far?

 

My view is a bit different. When I say Ken's punching is shit, I'm more referring to his ability from a boxing standpoint, not 1 punch power. He has no ability to throw effective combinations. His jab is weak but his hooks are powerful. He's not a busy puncher. I assume that has to do with his deterioration as a fighter not to mention his age.
But yeah, if he gets 1 crack at you, he can do damage. I guess I'm unfairly comparing him to a top pro, which he obviously isn't. But for a UFC fighter, he's ok.
Although it just looks like his body is more designed for powerlifting than it is for throwing smooth flowing quick combinations.:jester:

 

Full UFC 61 card:

Tim Sylvia vs Andrei Arlovski
Tito Ortiz vs Ken Shamrock
Dan Christison vs Frank Mir
Josh Burkman vs Josh Neer
Yves Edwards vs Joe Stevenson
Drew Fickett vs Kurt Pellegrino
Jeff Monson vs Anthony Perosh
Gilbert Aldana vs Cheick Kongo
Hermes Franca vs Roger Huerta

:jester:What is this bush-league crap? Outside of Ortiz/Shamrock which I'm interested in only because of the bad blood and the .00000001% chance of Shammy landing a lucky punch, there's nothing much else.:nixweiss:
Seems like most of these guys are a bunch of young UFC kids trying to make a mark.
Would like to see also how far Frank Mir has fallen.

 

nah, he lost to Rich Franklin, who is regarded as one of the best 185lb, fighters in the world, if not the best. That loss isnt nearly as bad as being stopped by Sakuraba.

A TUF 3 marathon is on right now, you should check it out.

As for the TUF competitors, the winners of season 1, Diego Sanchez and Forrest Griffen are both doing reasonably well. Season 2 winners, not as much.

 

Arlovski v Sylvia will be good.....neither one of those guys is in boring fights

 

You think so? I think this is one of there better looking PPV's this year,It looks waaaaaaaaay more promising than UFC 60.I'm looking forward to the Edwards vs Stevenson fight.

 

I was on the MMA boards and the guys who take this shit even more seriously than religion are calling it a complete joke of a card. I could see 3 good fights on this, on paper at least which I'd like to see.
I'm not too fond of where the UFC's heavyweight division is at.

 

fond of it or not, this is the best fight they have to offer. Its not a fight to scoff at, although, what happens after this in the division probably will be. Stevenson -v- Edwards is an okay fight, only because I want to see Joe at 155. Edwards got dominated by Mark Hominick and his last outing. Edwards may be a guy who ends up getting pushed out of what is quickly becoming a crowded division. UFC wanted BJ Penn to fight for their lightweight belt, but BJ balked at the idea, thinking that maybe he is more deserving of the winner of GSP and Hughes. Rumor has it Penn will be fighting on the next HERO's card. It really is a crap card, with another farce of a co-main event. Arlovski -v- Sylvia is the only meaningful fight on the card in terms of the now. If Stevenson and Ortiz win, that could have a little bearing on some future matchmaking, depending on the outcomes of a couple of other fights

 

Ken Shamrock is done. Age gets us all, and it has him. In his prime, he would have toyed with the best version of Ortiz.

Now,...same thing happens this time as last, only quicker.

 

Depends on how strong Ortiz is right now. Ortiz has deteriorated somewhat since their last meeting 4 years ago. His performance against Griffin is proof of that. His stamina is questionable. But he's obviously still a huge favourite over old Shamrock.

 

One thing I had forgotten about kenny was how bad he is from his guard....basically helpless

 

He's like Coleman and Kerr. A 'stuck in the 90s' fighter who never evolved with MMA. If he can't keep you down on your back, he's fucked.

 

Kerr tried to evolve, his demons got the better of him

I agree about Ken not evolving, which is sad, because in the early days he was as well rounded as fighters got. If he would have stayed on top he'd be up there in the coaching ranks with Miletich and the other top guys. Joe Rogan put it well during the first fight, Ken never did anything as far as surrounding himself with guys who would push him, he was just content to beat up on other lions den members, who themselves did not evolve, and think that he was good enough with that.....whereas other guys bring in great boxing coaches, work with guys who are better than them at JJ, and so on and so on

 

Yeah, that's what happened. Tito Ortiz will also be another example of a fighter who won't evolve. In 2 years, he'll be like Shamrock. Mainly because with each fight, he just looks worse and worse. It seems like if he can't put you on your back and stay on top of you with his G n P, then he's fucked because he can't fight worth a shit standing up.

 

disagree completely....Tito isnt a world class striker by any means, but he does well enough to keep himself in MOST fights....same with his JJ....he wont win fights on them, but he wont lose to scrubs on account of them either

 

I said in 2 years, he'll be like Shamrock. A former-star turned whipping boy for the better younger fighters coming up. His crappy G n P shit won't take him to the next level as MMA evolves and younger stronger fighters come in.

 

I'm sure you're right....

 

Of course I'm right you dumbfuck! I've been right about Tito Ortiz ever since he started in the UFC. I was telling the MMA boarders that his G n P was limited and his stand up striking was non-existent.
That's why I picked him to get ass-raped by Couture in humiliating fashion and to get KTFO like a joke by Liddell. Because he was too limited on the ground for Couture, and too weak to grope Liddell on the ground.
And I also claimed that his best bet was to hug and grope Belfort on the ground because he'd be too scared shit to let it stay standing. That was a crappy as hell fight. And his fight with Griffin further proved how shit he is if he can't stick his cock in you on the ground for the entire 3 rounds.
The fucker would be yellowcarded in ever fight under Pride rules with his shit style.

 

isn't shamrock like 75?

 

give or take

 

Mezger was excellent in Pancrase and a very good fighter in the early days of the UFC. He beat Sakuraba and then Pride jerked him around, but he had Sak beat.

Ken is dead meat in this fight, and to whomever thinks he was 240, you should know that pro wrestling announcing is not exactly the most accurate assessment of people's weight. Ken's weight from the early days of UFC was a bit more accurate as was his announced weight in Pride. He didn't cut 35-40lbs to fight Tito.

 

Mezger didn't want anymore and he quit.

Sak TKO Mezger

 

Belfort is no bum, Tanner is no bum, Sinosec is also no bum.....and Silva for DAMN SURE ain't no bum.

 

How many ass whippings did Belfort take before Ortiz got to him, in a fight which Ortiz didn't do jack shit but grope on the ground. That fight was a boring joke and it could've gone to Belfort. That garbage would've gotten Ortiz yellow carded in Pride. You had Belfort trying to make it into a fight, and you had Ortiz shitting himself standing up so had to keep Belfort down on his back for most of the rounds and not doing shit.
He did the same thing to Silva and Sinosec did he not? I never saw the Tanner one.
I think Chuck Liddell is the one who said it way before I did. He hates Ortiz more than anyone and calls Ortiz a fucking bore of a fighter who puts crowds to sleep with his mat-groping style.
Couture and Liddell exposed him for the 1 demensional fighter he is.
I can't even cheer for Shamroid to beat Ortiz next Saturday. Sham is a joke too, it's weird this fight is being made again considering how shit Sham is now.
Dude is gonna get ass raped even worse this time. And Ortiz will hype himself up after the bout with crap like "I'm back, I'll beat anybody at 205, bring em all on!!!"

 

Tito Ortiz is no bum, dude. He may not be the best of the lot, but he is far from the piece of shit you try to make him out to be. Fantastic conditioning and overall knowledge of the game makes Tito Ortiz a handful for anyone out there IMO. If he sucked so bad, he woulda got annihalated by Wanderlei Silva, who is one bad mother fucker.