Canelo vs Charlo: Final Predictions

Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by Xplosive, Sep 25, 2023.

  1. TexMex

    TexMex Fightbeat IQ Champ

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2003
    Messages:
    2,643
    Likes Received:
    177
    Location:
    Houston Tx
    Yes, along with hand wrapping Inspectors.
     
  2. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    1,439
    I could see that argument. Tito was definitely better at 154 and 147 than he was at 160.

    He’d still be Canelo’s toughest fight at 160, I think.
     
  3. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    47,165
    Likes Received:
    5,079
    Panama Lewis would be there to sign off on them.
     
    TexMex likes this.
  4. Boxingfan25

    Boxingfan25 Undisputed Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2020
    Messages:
    2,426
    Likes Received:
    605
    Gender:
    Male
    You have quite a sense of humor. But if GGG couldn't back up Canelo, it's unlikely Canelo would be running from Tito. Tito's chin was a bit susceptible... having been dropped by Vargas, who wasn't known for his punching power at 154, more of a volume puncher. Canelo's precise punches would probably find that weak spot and it could be lights out for Tito. Look you don't really have much of an argument for Tito stopping Canelo. The only middleweight Trinidad ever knocked out was Joppy, but there's some compelling evidence suggesting that the fight might have been rigged. It's worth pointing out that Tito had Don King in his corner. A shady and powerful figure who could make unusual changes to the ring setup. Just like his other dirty tactics Tito certainly knew how to use that to his advantage. Joppy lost because of the ring.
     
  5. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2006
    Messages:
    36,787
    Likes Received:
    3,883
    Occupation:
    The Cal Ripken of Alcoholism
    SPONGY RING
     
    Dog Jones and Boxingfan25 like this.
  6. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    1,439
    Triple G was backing him up, though. Floyd Mayweather too.

    Trinidad-Joppy rigged??? Come on, man lmao!!!
     
    George Crowcroft likes this.
  7. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,226
    Likes Received:
    12,989
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    A Canelo groupie accusing another fighter of questionable wins is the most hilariously ironic thing ever. It's like a Golota groupie calling another fighter dirty.

    There's nothing questionable about Trinidad. The extra guaze thing is a faux scandal. There's no teeth to it at all. The ring accusation is even more bonkers.

    Canelo, on the other hand, is a PROVEN roid cheat. A blatant weight cheat. And fights with obviously paid off judges.

    Most manufactured great the sport has ever seen.
     
    puerto rock likes this.
  8. Boxingfan25

    Boxingfan25 Undisputed Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2020
    Messages:
    2,426
    Likes Received:
    605
    Gender:
    Male
    You heard of this too? It's all over the internet.
     
  9. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,515
    Likes Received:
    1,780
    Trinidad was loading up against Hopkins because he didn't have his special wraps. And that's why he got exhausted.
     
  10. ILLUMINATI

    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2002
    Messages:
    33,506
    Likes Received:
    1,320

    Trinidad was exhausted??? Trinidad was missing shots, getting countered at every turn.....but he looked far from exhausted. Maybe you are remembering wrong...
     
  11. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2006
    Messages:
    36,787
    Likes Received:
    3,883
    Occupation:
    The Cal Ripken of Alcoholism
    trinidads peak was 154. at 154 Id pick him over Alvarez at 154. the prime of these two did not coincide at the same weights. at 160 you'd have to favor alvarez at this point
     
  12. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    1,439
    Canelo would have just been a notch on the belt of the likes of Trinidad, De La Hoya, and Vargas at 154. The notion that Canelo was green or pre prime at that weight is silly, if you think about it. The only thing that changed post Floyd was more PEDs and more selective match making. He’s the same guy. Good fighter, but protected. Protected by his management, the WBC, the judges, good match making.
     
  13. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2006
    Messages:
    36,787
    Likes Received:
    3,883
    Occupation:
    The Cal Ripken of Alcoholism
    Alvarez skill set improved since the Mayweather Jr fight.

    Particularly his defense in the pocket
     
    Boxingfan25 likes this.
  14. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,860
    Likes Received:
    2,083

    In what world is canelo a proven roid cheat?
     
    Boxingfan25 likes this.
  15. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2006
    Messages:
    36,787
    Likes Received:
    3,883
    Occupation:
    The Cal Ripken of Alcoholism
    Alvarez pissed dirty
     
  16. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,860
    Likes Received:
    2,083
    He pissed for trace amount of clen (like tons of soccer player during the junior wprld cup in mexico, cause they ate tainted meat), and even then, clen is not a Roids.

    For as much as this bf fellow overhype canelo, some of you are going as far as him on the other side
     
    TexMex likes this.
  17. TexMex

    TexMex Fightbeat IQ Champ

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2003
    Messages:
    2,643
    Likes Received:
    177
    Location:
    Houston Tx
    Due to Clenbuterol which in used in Mexico and several Asian countries in their livestock. B- sample was provided by hair follicle test in which he was cleared.

    In the U.S. Trenbolone is used in our livestock and has caused several Olympians to be "popped." Same thing, just different chemicals.

    The haters will still say Canelo is a cheat even after he was cleared, but will ignore Floyd, Roid Jones, and Sugar Shane's cheating ways. Wonder why?
     
    Jesus of montreal likes this.
  18. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,226
    Likes Received:
    12,989
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    You sound like a flat Earther.
     
  19. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2006
    Messages:
    36,787
    Likes Received:
    3,883
    Occupation:
    The Cal Ripken of Alcoholism
    Mayweather Jr, Jones jr and mosley also pissed dirty. They're all clearly cheats
     
    TexMex likes this.
  20. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2020
    Messages:
    5,406
    Likes Received:
    3,228
    Gender:
    Male
    I'll have to double check what the story was, but off memory, it'd take like 15lbs worth of steak in-between drug tests to set off the second one.
     
    puerto rock likes this.
  21. TexMex

    TexMex Fightbeat IQ Champ

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2003
    Messages:
    2,643
    Likes Received:
    177
    Location:
    Houston Tx
    Do you not know how hair follicle tests work?
     
    Jesus of montreal likes this.
  22. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,860
    Likes Received:
    2,083

    And even if took clen, it's more of a hindrance than an advantage. The only advantage of clen is to lose weight, and it was so far from the weight in that it would be nonsensical to take it. And it comes with numerous side effects that are detrimental for a boxer.

    But as you said, it's always the same suspects that mention this clen thing (though I must admit that the clenelo nickname is pure genius), and they dont apply the same scrutiny to their favorite boxers, surprisingly enough
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2023
    TexMex likes this.
  23. TexMex

    TexMex Fightbeat IQ Champ

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2003
    Messages:
    2,643
    Likes Received:
    177
    Location:
    Houston Tx
    I will always appreciate a voice of reason.

    Canelo isn't even my favorite fighter, but fair is fair. Clenelo and Roid Jones were the best nicknames.
     
  24. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,860
    Likes Received:
    2,083
    Hell, I dont really like canelo, and I'm almost always rooting against him. Still, a lot of these so called ''objective observers'' are nothing if not biaised
     
    TexMex likes this.
  25. Azazel

    Azazel "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2006
    Messages:
    7,692
    Likes Received:
    889
    Canelo vs Trinidad would have been an helluva fight. The 2 are on the same ''greatness'' level imo (both ATG but not amongst the true legends either). Really don't know who would win this one
     
    Jesus of montreal likes this.
  26. Jesus of montreal

    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,860
    Likes Received:
    2,083
    Would have been a treat for sure. Id pick tito, but not with a lot of confidence
     
  27. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    55,226
    Likes Received:
    12,989
    Location:
    Your girl's crib
    I pick Tito with very high confidence at 154.

    Canelo didn't even have an easy time with an old Cotto at 154. He was having a rough fight with Liam Smith at 154 until his power finally caught Smith. I ain't picking him over Trinidad at junior middleweight.

    160 is where it would be interesting. Do I favor Canelo at 160? Probably. Do I think it's a foregone conclusion? No. Canelo is not Hopkins.
     
  28. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    1,439
    I thought Canelo was gonna stop Cotto. I was very surprised that Cotto not only was as competitive as he was with Canelo at that point in his career, but that he went the distance with the INDESTRUCTIBLE Canelo who would like have beaten Trinidad like a drum according to a few.

    I could understand favoring Canelo at 160 because he was more proven than Trinidad there, though I’m not convinced it’s a forgone conclusion. Canelo would have done no better against that version of Hopkins.

    No way Canelo beats Trinidad at 154.
     
  29. Azazel

    Azazel "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2006
    Messages:
    7,692
    Likes Received:
    889
    Agreed, at 154, Canelo was quite green and I think Tito butchers him. At 160 though, I probably slightly favor Canelo but with very little confidence...
     
  30. puerto rock

    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    1,439
    I don’t even think Canelo was that green at 154. Certainly wasn’t green the night Mayweather schooled him. He just never fought anyone elite prior to then.

    Then after the scare with Lara his match making became more strategic. The Golovkin he faced was not a prime version to my eyes.
     

Share This Page