Canelo vs GGG 2, predictions

So does that make Canelo average as well??

 

Gathered by someone else are these press row scorecards:


Harold Lederman (HBO Sports): 116-112 Golovkin

Brian Campbell (CBS sports): 116-112 Golovkin

Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114 draw

Salvador Rodríguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114 draw

Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin

Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin

Sports Illustrated: 114-114 draw

Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin

Lance Pugmire (La Times): 114-114 draw

BoxingScene: 114-114 draw

Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin

Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114 draw

The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin

Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin

Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw

Sherdog.com: 116-112 Golovkin

Jai Bednall (news.com.au): 115-113 Golovkin

Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114 draw

Adam Abramowitz (Ring Magazine and SN Boxing): 115-113 Golovkin

Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin

Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin

The Associated Press: 114-114 draw

Bill Simmons (HBO and The Ringer): 114-114 draw

Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin

Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin

Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin

George Willis (New York Post): 114-114 draw

Below The Belt Podcast: 115-113 Golovkin

World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin

Jeff Powell (Daily Mail): 116-113 Golovkin


According to them, very very close but with an advantage for Golovkin.

I mean, according to some doctors, sometimes press row scores mean everything, other times meantioning them is a sign of America's cultural failure. I am not sure which is the case here

 

Had it a draw but, and said it after the first fight too, Golovkin is definitely quite a bit removed from his best, and that's the best Canelo we've seen, athletic and fighting prime at 28. A shame that Golovkin didn't get his opportunities earlier, but he was late to the game and spent a few years unnecessarily faffing around Europe. Canelo to win an easier decision in a decider.

 

What does that have to do with anything I said you simpleton?

And why did you removed the scorecards that gave it to canelo?

 

Abel Sanchez not particularly aggrieved at the result:


"Completely fair result"

 

Is there any other word to describe Canelo than average (when we compare him to the top level guy of course) ???

It's obvious that the guy is not a special talent, he can't beat any upper level guy without controversy

 

Oh ok. A top 10-15 pfp fighter that is just average. Gotcha....

 

Bet marika De La hoya n gbp promised Abel a bright million dollar a year future as a trainer for one of the young boxer in the stable....

 

I bet he/they didn't.

 

Much respect to the way he handled that interview. No excuses, no complaints and no accusations.

 

Average is a guy like Gatti. Canelo isn’t average

 

He Was...And Perhaps He Was Also Taking Something That BULKED Him Up, Simultaneously...

Did Canelo Not Look SMALLER To You? Wasn't Nearly as THICK as he Typically Is, in REED's Opinion...There was NO Spurt Fighting from Him @ All Last Night...






REED

 

Here's What REED Knows About Press Row Guys...

if, If, IF They Have the Balls to PREDICT a Winner in a Pre-Fight Article, You Best Believe They're Gonna Stick w/That Prediction In a Close Loss, Screaming "Robbery", Even as Their Eyes Show Something Entirely DIFFERENT...Also, the Boxing Media WASN'T Terribly Happy w/Canelo Coming Into this Fight...

REED Wrote and Podcasted in a Similar Vein and PICKED GGG to Win...This Appeared to Be the END of Canelo's Road as Boxing's Marquee Fighter, and was the Last Fight on His Current HBO Contract...

Back CLEARLY Pressed to the Wall, Canelo Responded w/a Career Best Performance...The Boxing Media Just Doesn't Want to Own Up to its Incorrect Predictions and/or Still Have an Ax to Grind w/Canelo...

REED Had Triple G Winning the 1st Fight, but Could See a Case for a Draw...REED Had Canelo Winning the RE, but Could See a Case for a Draw...

No Robbery Though...





REED

 

So do we have a white guy top of the pfp list or not???

 

Yes, Lomachenko for now.

 

Thanks captain obvious. The problem is that HBO has had most of the YouTube videos pulled as I don’t want to have to wait a month before one becomes available so I’m hoping someone has a link that HBO hasn’t found yet

 

HBO isn't pulling the links.

























Canelo is.

 

C'mon, who do I work for? I had GGG by three points

 

I agree with JoM.

GGG has struggled with the only top fighters he has faced other than David Lemieux who is not very good.

Alavarez is not much. A top fighter by today’s sorry standards. Mind you this guy lost about 9 rounds clean to a 36 year old past his prime welterweight moving up in weight.

Mind you a guy like Shane Mosley, however aged, and a true HOF fighter actually gave Floyd some trouble.

 

After approximately 4 seconds looking:

 

4 here. I felt the first fight was probably a little closer in terms of the final score. The HBO commentating team kept saying Canelo was winning 'the story' of the fight by way of pushing GGG backwards and, judging by the post fight reaction that seems to be the case but i thought he was being slightly outlanded in round after round. In fact, as skilled as he is, it seem the guy just can't let his hands go enough, its like watching a shot fighter who takes a split second too long to set his feet to pull the trigger.....except he's been that way since he was 19

 

CompuBox stats?

 

I hadn't seen them until you brought that up but they were actually more favourable to Alvarez than I thought. Maybe I have to rewatch it.. there were distractions

 

My point is though, is ConpuBox the correct method to score a fight?
If so, we dont need judges and boxing becones a button-pushing, stats-based sport.

 

Nah of course not but unless there's a pretty obvious disparity in the damage one guys doing to the other per shot, the guy landing most will usually take the round, no? I don't give much weight to who's walking forwards or sideways personally

 

Thanks man. I couldn’t find any

 

LOL I was going to say the exact same.

I picked Canelo to win!!

I mean, I defy anybody to show me any body of work where I was routinely talking either guy up or putting either guy down, I am as impartial as you like and I stand by my assertion that GGG won both fights.

 

It's that and then some.

I look at these tough tactical fights in a simple way........in terms of initiative and blows landed.

Canelo never wrested the initiative away from GGG in enough of rounds or for long enough in any given part of the fight.

Take the 12th round for example:- GGG started fastest and best and Alvarez never ever took over or answered in the same fashion to win the round.

He could have drawn it but never a clear winner, no way 2 out of 3 should have had him winning that round.

It's funny.....the same woman who put a premium on "Boxing" and "Landing" in the Khan vs GGG fight was the person who then decided that such an approach was futile in the first GGG vs Alvarez fight, namely Adelaide Byrd.

She had Khan ahead at the time of the stoppage. She had GGG behind for the entirety of his fight with Canelo.

There has been no consistent application of logic across the two bouts.

Alvarez runs..........he's winning. He stands........he's winning. He's outlanded, he's winnning.

Go figure.

 

No, it isn't, of course, it's just a tool.

But when one guy outlands over two fights and doesn't win either..........

 

The thing about the Mayweather fight is it was a long time ago and Alvarez, who is a physical-oriented fighter, has moved into his physical prime for a man of his build and disposition.

He also geared up in the intervening years, and unlike the Margarito affair with the gloves, this has not only happened but been proven to have happened.

I am quite happy that the Alvarez who fought GGG would have given the same Floyd a much much harder fight.