Canelo vs GGG 2, predictions

Now, we're having a comletely different argument. You said it should be rewarded, which is not the same thing as it influencing our perception about a fight

 

You Have a Gift for Picking THE Absolute Worst Analogies to “Prove” Your Point.

As if Canelo-GGG II Is Even Remotely Comparable to Vitali-Arreola.







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Nah, it Ties Into Ring Generalship in REED’s Opinion.

Much Easier to Judge Ring Generalship of a Guy You’ve Seen 35-40 Times Than a Guy You’ve Seen Only a Handful of Times.






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Ggg fought on the back foot against LeMoo. Sure there's other examples.

 

Apparently, Barrera was "bossed" by Hamed

 

The other thing is, you could say the exact same thing for Canelo. He was forced out of his comfort zone, having to come forward unlike his usual style. Why? Because his default usual style flat out didn't work in the first fight and Canelo knew it.

 

Hafta say I completely agree with JOM and Hut Hut that who really cares if a fight is not fighting his customary style or not? I mena really, if you penalised a fighter for that, you'd have Hamed beating Barrera ffs. Barrera fought completely different to usual, and like GGG, largely on the backfoot.

Was I surprised GGG fought this way? Absolutely. I basically expected a mirror match from the first fight, but with a more emphatic Golovkin win due to being pissed off with the robbery and cheating.

But a fight has to be judged round by round, on who landed more punches, that's it. Pretty simple.

And Golovkin outlanded Alvarez in almost every round of both fights.

 

Holy shit, Golovkin actually outlanded Canelo in 10 of 12 rounds. Robbed again.

And I didn't want to admit it as a huge Golovkin fan, but you'd have to say he is clearly not the same fighter he was even age 33. Given his age, I still thought it was impressive against the best Roidnelo so far.

 

Was Hoping Someone Referenced This Fight.

GGG Wanted Lemieux to Come to Him. He Patiently WAITED for Lemieux to Initiate, Then Powerfully Countered His Ass. Triple G was the Picture of COMFORT as He Sat Back Thwarting Lemieux’s Advances.

But EVERYTHING About GGG Was Different In Saturday’s Fight and You Fucking KNOW It. He Was FORCED Onto His Backfoot, It Wasn’t Something He WANTED to Do. REED Defies You or Anyone Else to Show Him a Pro Fight Where Triple G is MADE to Do This, for as Loooooong a Stretch of Ring Time.

You and Others are Deadset on PRETENDING He Simply Decided to NOT Fight as Aggressively Last Saturday Night, for “Whatever Reason”. Despite the FACT Dude was Packaged and Very Much Tried to Live UP to His Reputation as a Destroyer, from the Moment He Fought On American Soil.

It’s Comical That GGG Fans are Now Bitching About the “Biased” HBO Commentary When Those are the SAME Motherfuckers That Placed Him On a Pedastal in the 1st Fucking Place.

No One Said Shit About “Bias” When HBO Constantly Pressured Canelo to Face Triple G Questions in Post-Fight Interviews. No One Said Shit About Lamps’ Sense of Aristocracy Back When Golovkin Was Named “Fighter of the Year” and “# 1 Pound for Pound” On His Editorial Styled Boxing Show.

But NOW HBO Has an Ax to Grind w/GGG. Got It!






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By Rule, Professional Boxing REWARDS Effective Aggression and Ring Generalship, Both of Which were Controlled by Canelo.

You KNOW This as Well.






REED

 

Nah, the Junior Jones KO Forced Barrera to Switch Shit Up...

Barrera’s Fight Just Prior to Hamed was Against Jesus Salud, if REED’s Not Mistaken. Manny Steward, Who Was Co-Trainer of Prince at the Time, Commentated on HBO That Night and Expressed Concern w/the Changes Barrera Made to His Style.

Nice Try at Being a Smartass Though!



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This is true, but the definition which most sanctioning bodies use is clean punching/ effective aggression, which practically means that the one who lands more and more effective punches wins. It has nothing to do with who moves forwards or backs up.

If the case seems to be that both fighters try to come forwards, yet one is forced back, there is an advantage in ring generalship for the guy forcing the action. However, ring generalship only decides rounds if there is no difference in the first category.

Also, you can't assume how Golovkin would have wanted to fight based on his earlier performances. If in this case he moved back and did the more effective work, he should win, even though 'personality-wise' he usually likes to be the bully.

Several people have complained about HBO praising Golovkin toofor much for trashing weak opposition in the past years, and in my opinion, partly correctly so

 

all that effective aggression and ring general ship are bullshit criteria. yes they are technically a part of scoring rounds but to me they only come into play when the punches landed/damage done is basically equal and you need to choose one guy who edged the rounds.

the real criteria is who landed more/harder/cleaner shots

 

Come on bro. Barrera was the one dishing out the punishment in that fight.

 

The difference here is that GGG was being forced back. When you watched the fight you weren’t under the impression that GGG was deliberately using his legs to move and box...rather you saw him meet Canelo head on and then after exchanges you saw him CONCEDE ground to Canelo which suggests that he was getting the worst of the exchanges. That’s why some have said that Canelo was “bossing him”.

Barrera however came into the fight boxing and moving and looking to counter.

Very different

 

This 100%.

 

To add to this, you could see GGG flinching if Canelo feinted at a bodyshot. It went past dropping his elbow to protect against the incoming.

As the fight went on, that allowed Canelo to land clean hooks to the head.

 

I saw Barrera against Kennedy McKinney and Morales.

Hamed made him fight backing up.

Hamed had that. 119-107 on my card.

 

This is 100% correct.

Handfed was between fighting Morales and MAB then selected MAB because he was viewed as the easier mark. Steward said, on air during the Salud fight, "I think we chose the wrong guy."

 

If junior jones made him, "switch it up," how do you explain mab/morales I? Lol. Clearly, it was hamed who forced mab to abandon his style. He deserved the decision.

 

Watch Barrera vs. Jesus Salud. And Shut the Fuck Up.






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He knocked him out. So?

You're trying to say that adapting to your opponent is somehow a sign you're losing. That's b.s.

Guys like Trinidad used to be called one dimensional for failing to adapt.

 

Yeah, i fail to see how showing some adaptability should be counted against a fighter on the scorecards

 

Is this legit? Anyone else see Lampley say this?

 

No Ignoramus, the Salud Fight Illustrates Barrera was ALREADY In the Process of Modifying His Style.

Prior to Facing Prince Nadeem.








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Just admit it. Your entire premise is stupid. The best fighters in history have always been adaptive. It's how they win the fights they were supposed to lose. And its impressive to see, not a sign of defeat.

 

Did the Motherfucker That LITERALLY Labeled Antonio Margarita a “Subtle Scientist” Call REED Stupid?

There’s a Fucking Shit Stain Covering Your Eye for Boxing Bruh.

Floyd vs Mosley or Floyd vs Zab were Examples of ADJUSTING. Ditto for Leonard-Hearns I, Which was Littered w/Them.

Triple G Didn’t “Adjust” Shit. He Tried to Pressure Canelo, COULDN’T, Gave Ground and Relied On His Jab UNTIL Canelo Fatigued and He Actually WAS Able to Pressure Him. He Bided Time More Than Anything Else, Then Pounced Late.

GGG Wore CONFUSION, UNCERTAINTY and UNCONFORTABILITY On His Face in the 1st Half of the Fight, Yet YOU Claim He was “Adjusting”.









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Just saw the fight. Good, close fight but I thought GGG clearly took it down the stretch. Canelo took it to him and made him look awkward at times but he still got out worked in some of the early and mid rounds and he really faded late. One of the judges gave Canelo the 12th to avoid a draw and that’s really sketchy because GGG beat the hell out of him that round.

The HBO crew were comical. Not just trying to control the story of the fight but actually saying “Canelo is winning the story of the fight”. At one point they showed a replay of GGG spinning Canelo’s head around with an uppercut and Roy Jones said “But look at the body shot Canelo missed doe”.

 

Actually 2 of the judges somehow gave Alvarez the 12th

 

Well we should obviously bow to their professionalism, per muzse