Canelo vs Plant: Final Predictions, Discussion, RbR

These guys come in to the Canelo fight for a paycheck. Awful from Plant there. Saunders quit after taking a clean punch to the eye which caused damage. Callum Smith quit mentally and just tried to survive the distance. The list goes on.

 

Yeah, it was a testament of his greatness that basically every potential superfight involving him in that stretch (save the Hopkins fight) was against a significantly bigger man than him. It wasn't really fair to expect it from him since he already was small at lhw. We tend to forget that boxing is a dangerous sport, exponentially so when facing someone who has several lbs on you. Yet, his stubbornness and unwillingness to travel cost him some points in the grand scheme. He definitely should have gone to Germany, where the money was, and whoop Dariusz. That's a bordeline unexcusable stain on his resume imo. Even though MikaelZewski seemed quite happy to never have to face Jones too, Jones is an ATG while Dariusz is a side note in boxing history, so it's a bit normal he is judged more harshly

 

Gutless whites

 

Yeah that's right good memory.

 

Lol so many empty seats you could hear a pin drop. I remember watching the Gatti vs Mayweather at a sports bar. It was such a mismatch.

 

I agree that's why I also said if he fought the best opponents available...that's all you can ask from a fighter.

 

I wouldn't say that. There was better opponents than the one he faced. DM being the obvious one, but also some cruiserweight like Jirov or Gomez

 

A lot of you guys have a better memory than mine. BUT I do remember James Toney giving Jirov an ass beating and stopping him. But he was a live dog and had good moments in the fight. So I agree Jirov would have been a better opponent for Roy most of the guys he was bearing at lhw at that time.

 

Toney didn't stop him. JT dropped him in the last seconds of the fight, but ji
t went to the cards and toney won a decision. Some scored it for jirov (i thought toney won rather clearly)

 

That's right I remember it was competitive and I think that knockdown at the end sealed the fight for Toney. I remember thinking if Jirov had been dropped earlier he would have been stopped. Toney was catching a lot of those shots. Jirov visibly took a beating imo and I'm a Toney hater.

 

I think consensus was Toney stole it with the knockdown and I think there was a point deduction in there somewhere.

Manny Steward had Toney losing and yelled he better run across the ring and do a Julio Cesar haha.

Alot of people online at the time were really pushing that RJJ was scared of Jirov.

 

What the Media NEVER Mentioned was Roy was a NATURAL '68 Pounder DOMINATING RING MAGAZINE Rated '75 Pounder's...The "Roycott" was Such, Roy's Size DISADVANTAGE @ the Weight Didn't Fucking Matter...


REED

 

PLANET ROY, GOTdamnit!!!

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Ok, this may be long, but I'm going to touch on several subjects being brought up in here.

First, in the scientific/medical field, if it's not peer reviewed, it's worthless, that's just standard.

Also, anyone living in the U.S. eating beef could fail a similar steroid test. Hormonal Steroids such as Estrogen, Testosterone, and Progesterone are commonly injected into cattle. In addition to those, synthetic or Anabolic Steroids such as Trenbolone Acetate and non steroidal synthetic hormone such as Zeronal are also used. FDA regulates what levels it considers as safe. U.S. beef that has been injected with these substances are banned in the E.U.

So, in essence, if the "tester" didn't know what levels would be typically seen in consumed meat with Clenbuterol, failed tests could and have easily occurred. If the tester didn't know the same for Trenbolone, most U.S. boxers would've been popped, except for

hippie tree hugging/eating Vegans.

Highly paid professional athletes can acquire much better things than this, it's pretty nasty and considering the "potential minimal" advantages would be negated by it's disadvantages.

With that said, boxing is a business, and I would be shocked if the majority were 100% clean.


On to the Canelo hate.

I don't really understand it. Dude fights Floyd at 23. Most of our younlings nowadays don't want to fight, they'd rather spend time on Twitter doing "call outs."

Canelo dares to be great, takes risks, risks his "0" and lost it. Every time I see him, I see improvements. I never hear of him getting fat between fights, beating on women, or wearing fishnets. All I hear is how this person would beat him or that person or he ducked this person or that person. These things are said literally a day after he made history. He smashed obliterated an entire division in 11 months.

He told Andrade "you fight nobody" he's absolutely correct. Andrade is Canelo's elder, WTF has he been doing?

Charlo, this is a little tougher for me as I'm very pro H-Town. But, Charlo turned down a Canelo fight. That's a fact, one that I'm guessing many choose to ignore? How are you going to ignore this? I had to cheer for that clown ass Baby Bull! But, as sad as it is,

Baby Bull's resume is better than Jermall's.

Who will Canelo fight next? Most likely it will be either Jermall, Beneviedes, Andrade, or GGG. It would be nice if the first three could umm I don't know, start fighting each other, maybe move to 168 were their potential 10 Million dollar fight is, you know,

dare to be great, risk it all, for a chance to be great. But, maybe I can see why they wouldn't, cuz if they did, they would just get hated on for it like Canelo does now.

 

Might be mistaken, but I don't think think you can get popped for tren by eating it. From what i know, tren get destroyed in the.stomach, that's why its an injection only drug

 

They are typically injected into animals. I do not know the metabolism of animals, but in humans, the stomach processes food, into "chyme" and what is in the chyme is absorbed into the body via the small intestine, specifically the duodenum. Injection vs ingestion typically is just going to be a matter of potency.

Positive Doping Tests From Tainted Meat...A Wake Up Call? — Jen Rhines

 

Roy, Tito and Canelo dragging some real legacy posters back to the FB fold. Just like old times...Great to see

MTF

 

We even had a Muzse appearance this week.

Muzse and Tex Mex posting in the same thread does indeed make it feel like 2003.

 

Great post, but not sure about the steroid apologetics.

You will not test positive for exogenous testosterone due to tainted meat. This is similar to failing a Marijuana drug test due to being near people who smoke. The tests have a tolerance level, that definitely takes into account trace amounts that could be acquired accidentally.

It is the same as the gas station dick pills excuse used by a few boxers and MMA guys... yes it could contain very slight amount of same compound...but not enough to cause you to fail a drug test specifically designed to detect abuse.

Canelo worked out for 10+ years and was 20 LBS lighter but gained definition, muscle size, and shoulder width, while maintaining all of his speed and at the cost of none of his stamina (actually it increased his stamina!). Typically after your first year of seriously training it is difficult to add any substantial amount of muscle mass (not size in general, specifically lean muscle).

Canelo gained 20 LBS of muscle, got way better, and tons of insiders and fellow fighters began accusing him before he was caught. Similar to all of the other cases...if it walks like a duck...

That being said I agree with the sentiment. What do people really want him to do??

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Canelo got someone else to provide that hair follicle or it wasn't on the up and up some other way. A lot of people make a lot of money when Canelo fights.

 

Well if you're not going to believe all the test results and you're going to pick and choose whatever best suits your narrative fuck it why have test at all. Lol

 

Canelo-Plant did 800,000 PPV buys.

I knew it would outsell Fury-Wilder III.

 

I agree about the elevated testosterone, I was only referring to the Clenbuterol, Trenbonole and Zeronal.

Theses are the substances that have caused failed tests for various athletes, including ones approved for cattle by the FDA here in the USA. Clenbuterol is more commonly used in Latin American countries and China.

The fact that the hair follicle test which was conducted by VADA came back negative, further corroborates Canelo's story.

Another point is that he volunteered the test, there have been other fighters who have been caught that didn't bother submitting the "b" test.

I also agree he's probably been on something at some point, but also believe the majority of fighters are as well. It doesn't even need to pass the eye test either, with fat ass pitchers in the MLB using in the past.

 

Honestly you are quite right. Fighters on Canelos level have the best of the best so yeah, the tests are kind of worthless. I will assume they are using gear since it's such a competitive disadvantage not to use it and at that level they have the means to use it and get away with it. When you dedicate your life to something and put your life on the line with the prospect of your family and loved ones never seeing you again and all the money that is on the table, it would be stupid not to use gear since you have no real way of knowing if your opponent is using and it is such a competitive advantage. There is also a lack of understanding and acceptance of basic human nature in people who don't believe that top fighters are on gear. Human nature also just makes it obvious that if people can cheat and get away with it, they will. If someone finds a wallet full of money and nobody has seen them find it, what percentage of people are not going to take the money? What would you do? What would you publicly say you'd do vs what would you actually do?

 

You say there's a lot of athletes on gear that have the means to either bribe or access to epo's so sophisticated that are virtually undetectable. BUT if there's no concrete proof we can't start a witch hunt against every elite level athlete based on a hunch . Greatness is uncommon. Guys like Ali, Tyson, Sugar Ray Robinson don't come around often. So it's normal people will question what makes them better. Even claim they cheated or take steroids. Look what Wilder supporters were saying about Fury(Glove gate, spiked water bottles , ect).