Cotto is an underapreciated fighter IMO.

I know. I missed the part where Cotto was being villified for this win. You want to talk about someone who got villified and no credit for a win, try Mosley's KO of Vargas. Nobody gave him credit for that one.

 

I'm not contradicting myself, I wasn't sure you shared this view but I think I remember reading that from you. I don't re-read my posts before submitting them, so sometimes sentences like this pops out. Still, I thought Cotto fought a hell of a fight and IMO it's not about what Zab didn't do but what Cotto did. That's the purpose of this thread. Saying "yeah he fought well but if Zab did this, didn't do this, did that.... he would have beat Cotto" is not giving props to a fighter, it's making excuses for the other. Of course, it wasn't a flawless performance, but given the shaky start and the cuts, it was a pretty good win on Cotto's resume. That's how I see it, mr. board police.

 

Nobody villified Mosley, WTF are you talking about? Most people like him way more than Vargas. Mosley dominated him easily and he got credit for him. I get it now, If it's not a thread praising your favourite fighter, it's ridiculous and overboard...

 

Yeah, but I don't think there's but a couple people saying if Zab did this or that he would have won. No, if he would have followed up that uppercut and dropped Cotto I still think Cotto beats him. Nothing Judah could have done to win that fight because he just isn't tough enough to deal with pressure or pain.

Also don't take my criticisms of your thread to hard, I'm only semi-serious about that stuff.

 

True...

The SAME Peeps who Called Shane "SHOT",Gave him ZERO Credit for KO'ing Vargas w/ONE Punch...

Worse,these SAME Peeps Gave Shane ZERO Chance of Hurting Vargas N the RE,Based on their 1st Fight...

REED

 

Don't even try it. I made a thread saying how I thought Shane looked great and being back with his dad made a difference and almost everyone came on there disagreed with me and said "no Vargas is just shot." I couldn't believe such a high number of people on that thread had such a closed mindedness about the whole thing. Of course now, after the Collazo fight nobody will probably admit it.

 

I'll take your word for it, I thought people were impressed after the Vargas fight but I might be wrong.

 

Thank you! Somebody who remembers.

 

Yeah, they were impressed. Impressed with how well Shane beat up a shot fighter as they put it. But enough about that.

 

Personnally, I loved how shane set up that shot, it was calculated and he was waiting for a precise opening he probably saw in the first fight or in tapes.

 

When this fight was announced, I posted explaining my thoughts about Cotto/Judah. I thought it would be a good test for Cotto, and expected him to win, but I felt that it's risk was higher than it's reward.

As many have stated here, Judah has lost to relatively nondescript fighters. This makes him look like nothing special to the casual boxing fan, and maybe even worse to the dedicated fan depending on how closely you watched Judah's losses. So Cotto beats the multi-loser shot Zab Judah, big deal right?

But when Zab is hungry for a victory, he comes in good shape, he's faster than the illustrious Mayweather, and he can CRACK. I figured Zab would likely catch Cotto flush, and HARD, especially early, and of course he did. The question was whether or not Cotto could take that and stay focused, pounding out a win.

Well he did. He took uppercuts that I think about 5% of the welters out there could take without falling down like a pile of bricks. Same for some straight lefts & left crosses. Hard punches that landed smack on Cotto's chin, his temples, etc. Well he took 'em and he gave back WORSE, he never got off his game plan, and he literally pounded Judah into a somewhat sick submission. Yeah, I know, from now on Zab will be a big joke and he'll get a few good wins but probably never get back to the truly elite stage he was once on.

But for THIS fight, on June 9, Zab was in top form, and he was dangerous as Hell, and he got the living shit kicked out of him by a young kid. A fighter like Cotto does not come around too often - he can punch, he can box, he has a reasonable defense, good balance, he is aggressive, disciplined, smart, has a proven heart, and can keep his wits when things look like they're going down the pooper. Plus he's still young. I give him the nod in every welter matchup I can think of right now, save the retired? Floyd Mayweather. Every one.

No, I am not saying Cotto beats any welter hands down, I am just saying that I would favor him, however slightly, in every legitimate matchup right now at 147. The question isn't who can beat Cotto, there are answers to that - the question is right now, who WILL beat Cotto? Who will be able to step up and fight the kind of extremely hard, extremely smart, extremely disciplined fight it will require in order to beat Miguel Cotto? Because as far as I am concerned, unless there appears a welter George Foreman with the punch of doom, someone on the A-level is going to have to come and fight their ass off for a full 12 HARD, punishing rounds in order to have a shot at a victory against Cotto, and they better not make many mistakes.

I think that given this, Cotto is underappreciated, and I agree that his demeanor and his personality are part of that, since he seems to put a damper on anything exciting as soon as he opens his mouth or walks in any room that doesn't have a canvas & ropes.

 

Cotto is a f'in bum

 

Everyone is a bum in your opinion.

 

not true at all...

 

every for the exception of Floyd Mayweather that is....

 

It goes back to the theory of relativity does it not?

Everything is relative.

Relative to Floyd Mayweather...every active fighter is indeed a bum!

 

He's not that much underapreciated, everyone seems to be on his nuts. opcorn:

 

you keep picking against him...eventually you will be right...

 

What are you talking about? I picked Miguel Robotto over Quintana and Zab.

I would pick him over mediocre Margarito as well. opcorn:

 

i think Cotto's win over Quintana was more impressive than his win over Judah.

 

nearly everyone picked Cotto to beat Judah..everyone knew that he'd win the fight simply by getting past round 5

how much credit should he get for this :dunno:
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