Cotto's fradulent reign is over!!

agREED on Malignaggi & Maussa...

But the Quintana Win was IMPRESSIVE the Night it Happened...Quintana was Undefeated AND he was Coming Off of the Upset of Joel Julio...

Quite a Few Fightbeaters (INCLUDING REED) thought Quintana would Give Cotto a Great Deal of TROUBLE, if Not Beat him...


REED:mj:

 

I think he's fought a good list of welterweights - though it does have a couple soft touches - which is emphasized when you consider how long he's been at the weight and how active he's been since moving up.

Quintana, Judah, Mosley and Margarito in a year and a half isn't bad.

However, pre-147 I don't think he really fought a lot of quality or accomplished all that much.

 

Considering his OPTIONS @ 140, REED Thinks Cotto's Resume @ that Weight is Fairly IMPRESSIVE...

If REED's Not Mistaken, Tszyu was Basically Holding the Division HOSTAGE w/his Repeated Looooooooooooooooooooooooooong LAYOFFS...

Hatton Really DIDN'T Fight ANYBODY of Note Until he Fought Tszyu (then he Followed that Up w/Maussa, who Cotto ALREADY Beat)...

Floyd Made a PITSTOP @ 140...

Considering his OPTIONS, REED has No Problem w/Cotto's Jr. Welter Resume...

REED:mj:

 

Well Cotto probably has more overall solid wins, but Miguel has never beaten a PRIME fighter thats as good as Kessler. Kessler is a better fighter P4P than Margarita IMO.

 

What makes Kessler a better p4p fighter then Marg? Who has he beaten? I mean people wonna claim that Cotto was this hype job when he's defeated some pretty solid dudes. Who has Kessler beaten? Once again who has the better resume and better victories Cotto or Calzaghe? Ya'll know where I'm going with this one. I'll Holla 5000

 

Who has beaten better names Cotto or Calzaghe?

R u serious?

 

Any other Frauds you'd care to uncover for us, based on your fraud-exposing criteria Ike?

 

Not presently. Coto was my main focus. He as gotten far to much hype for what he has done.

 

Yes. WHo has beaten more big names. I'll Holla 5000

 

:bangh::bangh::bangh::bangh: ...I do really feel sorry for people who are frozen under Judah's hypnotism,...it is a serious, serious condition in regards to rationalized perception,...and so painfully frustrating to treat. The day you learn that handspeed amounts to sweet fuck all if there is literally nothing else to add to that particular fighter, nothing else, the more rational you should become over a broader range of topics. Forgive my undertone of infuriation, but Zab Judah is a complete and utter fucking scrub, and no matter how many years pass before he achieves one, single, victory,...I dont think it will ever change peoples minds into accepting that he belongs amongst the 3rd tier of the welterweight division, it is a serious delusional condition.. you are not alone, but I dont know when you or the others will wake up,.. but we'll see what happens when Joshua Clottey thoroughly destroys, and I mean ..destroys him,..it will be a brutal arse raping of the highest order, which will clearly illustrate a sense of proportion in regards to where Judah actually stands as an 'excellent win', and hopefully it will initiate the tweak required to improve your perception.

In raw terms, I hope we get you to see, that Zab Judah, is the most overrated fighter in BOXING HISTORY, even moreso,..than 'Prime' Mike Tyson.

 

Seems a shame to use all that true insight on just one fighter.

 

Ok. Arthur Abraham. I guess you guys don't like the word fraud. I think he is a very bottom level world class fighter. In fact, he is one of the worst fighters to ever hold a title belt over a significant period of time. I cite the"Joppy rule" I believe Joppy had 8 defenses and he was a very poor fighter on the world class level.

Honestly, I guess the word fraud is a little strong for you softies but I fail to see how Cotto was overrated significantly.

 

Chris Eubank, Michael Kessler, Bernard Hopkins versus....

who?

 

Zab Judah a guy who hadn't won a fight in 2(two) fucking years before he fought Cotto.


Shane Mosley who hadn't beaten a decent fighter since DLH (the first time) and who beat a shot Vargas.

Malignaggi: A guy who can't fight 4 rounds without breaking his hands.

 

I don't think Fraud is a strong term.

A fighter can be a great talent & still be a fraud, if he is claiming to be more than he is. A fighter who wants to be there but doesn't want to travel.

A fighter can also be mis-represented by his fans. Doesn't make him a fraud.

I can, however, think of at least one incredibly talented fighter, who mis-represents himself & is mis-represented by his fans as an all time great without taking the opportunities to try & prove it.

 

it would be one thing to suggest that their level opposition is comparable, which may have been valid Pre-Kessler/Hopkins

But who has the bigger names?...I mean especially now thats a moot point.

 

ok i'll bite

Sven Ottke?

 

O.K-TWO incredibly talented fighters!

 

::...

hmmmm, Floyd then?

 

I agree. I know I have made threads just to get a reaction, but this is not one of them. I would understand if I said Cotto was a clubfighter or not championship calibur. I was just hearing for years he is a future dominant fighter, a can't miss destroyed and the most upsetting thing is the way he was moved. I am upset people weren't upset. I think creating undefeated records is much worse for boxing than people saying a guy is a fraud for one loss. Cotto should have fought Margarito 5 fights ago and Floyd before that.

 

I relate to the general spirit of what you're saying.
I've always said that I think as boxing fans, we should always want guys with great talent, who have great potential, to seek out the biggest challenges, to realise that potential.
Dare to be great, (Like Tito did, BTW),as opposed to appearing great, & as boxing fans be pissed off when they don't, instead of making excuses for them.

For me, Cotto is an excellent, exciting fighter who just wasn't tough enough for Margarito. I did find myself questioning his toughness a bit towards the end of the Mosley fight

Anyway, now we have Margarito, Williams & Cotto all with loses. It will be interesting to see what happens from here...

 

Damn it!
-I'm trying to be enigmatic...