Could Lucian Bute be #1 SMW?!!!!

as a major Bute hater, I was disgusted at how the fight ended yesterday. Before the sudden ending, it seemed to me that Andrade was doing pretty well, sure he was losing round wise, but it seemed to me that he was connecting far more than in the first fight. Don't get me wrong, Bute's a very good fighter who may very well be the top at 168, but the super6 winner is a shoe in to take the top spot, and Bute is very very protected, so I doubt he'll face any big names meanwhile

 

The punch that ended the fight is mY favorite punch in boxing--southpaw uppercut to the body of an orthodox fighter, aka the Sullivan shift. I think it is also a main factor in why you have to keep your lead foot on the outside when you have different-sided fighters. The opening for that punch disappears if you are on the inside.

 

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Yeah, that's pretty hilarious.

"Wah! wah! They weren't just standing there and letting me hit them! WTF?"

 

But wait! You once picked Kessler over Calzaghe. Doesn't that mean you think Kessler is the GOAT?? How can you possibly think ANY fighter could make Kessler look inept when you MUST have thought he was great before?? ::

 

Nice performance by Bute but let's not get carried away.

Andrade = Baldomir while the rest of the Super Middleweight division actually fights each other and knocks each other off.

No doubt at the end of the day many members of the Super 6 will have extra losses on their record while contrarian fans will crow about the superiority of Lucien Bute, focusing on the "0" in his record.

Bute will slaughter Kessler, bludgeon Ward and comatize Froch. He'll destroy Dirrell, torture Taylor and ambush Abraham. Why fight them, they will say. Everybody knows he is superior.

He'll sell out the Montreal Forum and take out the Hilton Brothers one after another. Stephane Ouellette will be elevated to #1 mandatory status and Bute will make him sniff the canvas up close while fans roar from one end of the Quebec province to another.

It will be epic, it will be monstrous, it will be glorious beyond belief. :fightme:

 

great post, one of the best of the year ( candidate with Double L post concerning the reasons why boxing is such in a sad state). These are exactly the main reasons why I dislike Bute. Living in Montreal, I have to live with these type of fanboy quotidianly. Bute is very very protected, just look at the garbage he fought in his optionnal defenses ( Zuniga and a shot, underweight Joppy). The only top 10 opponents he fougth was Andrade and maybe Berrio. In both case, he fought them because he had too ( Berrio was the easiest way to gain a belt and Andrade was his mandantory, both times if I'm not mistaken ). And let's not blow the Andrade win out of porportion. Sure, it was eye opening the way he got the W, but Andrade, as you said, is a tough gatekeeper. Kessler performance was far more impressive than Bute combined two. And I'm not sure this week fight would have been the same had Bute not landed the fight ending shot as he was getting hit quite a lot by Andrade.

Maybe Bute will prove to be all that and a strawberry pie on top of that. But I'm quite annoyed at how he's being sold as having already attained that level without needing to prove it.

 

Like Pac said "That's the realest Sh*t you ever wrote!!!" LOL Very true and that's the only problem Kessler has "adaptation".

 

The only top 10 opponents he fougth was Andrade and maybe Berrio. In both case, he fought them because he had too ( Berrio was the easiest way to gain a belt and Andrade was his mandantory, both times if I'm not mistaken ). And let's not blow the Andrade win out of porportion. Sure, it was eye opening the way he got the W, but Andrade, as you said, is a tough gatekeeper. Kessler performance was far more impressive than Bute combined two. And I'm not sure this week fight would have been the same had Bute not landed the fight ending shot as he was getting hit quite a lot by Andrade.

Berrio is not a easy win! There are guys in the Super6: Ward, Dirrell, Abraham that dont have a Berrio on their resume.(Miranda not as good) He is protected but like a fine wine is being aged the right way. The IBF want let him duck quality guys.

 

Hbo loooooves this, i'm sure. Watch for Bute to get pushed so HBO can spin the whole showtime tourney.

 

Is it me but did Bute have a little Joe Calzaghism in him. Anyways it was good fight for as long as it lasted. It kept me on the edge of my seat because I was thinking damn Bute is landing but the dude is just stalking kinda like Margacheato/Cotto. For some reason I was thinking that Bute was in trouble if he slows down and keeps getting hit. Then the left to the jaw and the body shot and the fight was over. Good shit. Need to see more of Bute to make a better assessment of how he is. But from what I saw dude got some solid skills. I'll Holla 5000

 

That hook to the head looked as weak as shit, maybe the knuckle gave a nerve a twang or somethin.

 

It was short and on the money! It only takes 6LBS of pressure to KO a man in the right area. At the back of your jaw there is a vein; if it is seperated for even a split second, boom!:kick:

 

Yep, it must have pressed the right spot, I also considered that it was a pretty short hook that Andrade walked into, more strength can be retained when the arm is closer to the body, that may add to the deception of that particular knock.

 

Beyond pathetic...

MTF :shit:

 

Bute looked good and probably is pretty handy. He now needs to step up his competition level, though. Beating Andrade is something that ANY good supermiddle needs to do if they have elite level aspirations. Librado is the very definition of gatekeeper, in fact.

In Boxing News a few weeks back, Carl froch claimed that he'd contacted Bute prior to the signing of the Super-Six to discuss the possibility of a unification fight. Bute apparently didn't want to know, prompting Froch to state that Bute 'needs to grow a pair'. Lucian has been well matched, unquestionably, and if he wants to prove that he is the best, he needs to start fighting them. The world and his dog knows that he should have been in the Super-Six: his non-participation is stupid, really...

MTF

 

How do you arrive at the conclusion that, "ANY good supermiddle needs..." to beat Andrade?

The guy has lost three times now, twice to Bute, which means he's lost to a total of two guys.

You could be right, but the evidence just isn't there. Andrade could be the third best guy in the division for all we know.

Does he beat Froch? Does he beat Abraham? Does he beat Ward? I don't know. All we know is that he couldn't beat Kessler, he damn near beat Bute, and then lost to him. I don't know how that equates to: ANY good super-middleweight beats him.

 

Andrade SUCKS, Doub...REED Knows U'll Reply w/a BULLSHIT Tirade about "Subtle Science" that U See in his Style, but the FACT is, Dude is a HUMANfuckingSPONGE...Another AVERAGE (@ Best) Margarito Type that *Surprise,Surprise* Double L Took a Liking To, who FLAMED OUT Miserably....

Now, EVERY Guy that Fights Andrade is Gonna FOCUS On his Body...He's DONE...




REED:hammert:

 

margarito has plenty of credible wins. andrade is not close to as good or accomplished as margarito.

 

getting hurt by a punch to the liver is not some idiosyncratic response. it's part of being human. likewise, hitting a guy in just the right spot at just the right time is not something that just anyone can do.

we'll see how Andrade does after this. but i'll tell you right now that it's not easy to pick the winners of Andrade vs. Froch, Andrade vs. Abraham and Andrade vs. Taylor.

 

He has no credible wins, he loaded his gloves.

Hey if Andrade had concrete in his gloves, he may well have beaten Kessler and Bute too.

 

Could he beat Froch? Possibly, but not likely.

Could he beat AA and Ward? Fuck no! Ward would shut him out, and AA would knock him out.

 

Andrade is top 6-10 I'd say, certainly good enough to beat the current WBO titleist, not just a human sponge - he exerts enough pressure to break down most ordinary contenders, he's a gatekeeper for the elite

 

Do you need a tissue?:crying:

 

:nono: Reed please, as if Andrade isn't a likeable fighter?... He comes to fight, every minute of every round, he's not an unbearable piece of shit who sprints around the perimetre and clinches incessantly, he doesn't say racial shit, or flagrantly exploit the sport right infront of our very eyes.

It doesn't make sense to hate him.

 

Kauki, seeing that you like Andrade, what are the chances that he:
1. Quits on his stool.
2. Turns out to have loaded gloves
3. Turns out to be a coward
?

 

Andrade turns out to be a coward?... why Dympeople,.. you see,.. in one, single fight,.. Librado walks through more fire, than Fraud has sprinted away from over the entire course of his career,.. Dympeople,.. calling Andrade a coward in comparison to say, Fraud Mayweather,..? ..I'm choking,.. I'm fucked up by that question.

 

Yes, why not?
Just like Abdulaev, Zoo, Margarito.....he'll turn out to be a cheater, a quitter and a coward......you think it's impossible?

 

But Dympeople,.. it's like a dare, that Andrade does, and Fraud doesn't,.. like,.. both standing on top of a cliff edge,.. and Fraud says to Andrade, "I dare you to jump down into those trees" ,..and Andrade says with a smile, ok man, your my best friend, you promise me you will do it to?" ..Fraud says, "I promise, I'll hold your wallet for you" ... so Andrade dives down and gets thrashed and smacked by thousands of branches and plummets to the floor with broken bones,.. while Fraud jumps in the car, with cash in hand, and speeds off,..at 100 miles of footwork per hour.

Who's the coward Dympeople?..

 

agREED...

There's NATHAN the Least Bit "Credible" about Margarito's Wins OR his Career...



REED:hammert:

 

The ONLY Guy U Listed that LOSES to Andrade is Taylor & that's Because Taylor Loses to EVERYBODY These Days...For as AVERAGE as Froch has Looked, he'd Appear to B ULTRA-Talented when Paired w/Andrade...Abraham STOPS him...NOBODY that Gets hit AS MUCH as Andrade Does is Gonna BEAT Arthur Abraham...



REED:nono: