COWARD ROY HASN'T SIGNED!

So you said "TFK boxing fan" after you said NFL, you meant the NFL boxing fan type :dunno: You can pull the crap with other people here who don't know better, but I have read your high-handed gripes to TFK and about him being a MMA type of boxing fan. There have been some good fights, SHIT fights too. If "stretch" means the future, then I say why :notallthere: .....because those fights could be :shit: especially when you bring Floyd into the mix. I have enjoyed many years of boxing "stretches" you think this year is so wonderful because you have gotten used to :shit: . The fights on "paper" for the rest of the year will have to be mostly spectacular for this to be even mentioned to spectacular "stretches" I have enjoyed over the years. Thats my opinion, and no matter what you say and twist around, you can NEVER say Jones Tito will take away from other fights or take away from "accomplishments of boxing", NEVER :: Tito/Roy IS for boxing last I checked, you act like they are going to implement head gear with 20 OZ gloves after they fight....Ridiculous.

 

:doh: thats why I said why didn't you single that out FIRST. Looks like you corrected yourself at the end though :clap:

 

I don't know why I'm even entertaining this crap.

TFK type boxing fan - one who shits on every matchup made, claiming that boxing was better 15 years ago, that it will never get better, that no fight today is PPV worthy, and no matter how good a fight turns out to be (PPV or otherwise), it's meaningless if the fighter's nams aren't instantly recognizable.

Your question of "what stretch run" to my mention that boxing has enjoyed a hell of a year suggested - to me - that you didn't particularly care for anything that took place this year so far. Your constant mention of Floyd-DLH and no other fight tells me that you don't go out of your way to watch fights if the fighter's names don't immediately ring out.

It has nothing to do with MMA. TFK is an MMA apologist (even though he claims otherwise); hence, MMA references when he posts, especially when he's defending a shitty, mismatch-littered PPV card.

I don't know if you follow MMA. I know you watch football. Hence, the NFL mention.

Your other comment didn't quote, but I'll address it anyway - you say "real fans" will watch this fight AND every other. Perhaps so. But where we differ is that I look forward to fights that actually mean something, more so than a fight between two name fighters (especially retired and faded ones). Again, your question of "what stretch run" suggests that you either haven't been watching this year, or just haven't been impressed. If you haven't been impressed, then I stand by everything I said, because real boxing fans are claiming this year to be better than any other in recent memory.

 

As for why I'm not looking forward to Jones-Tito:

If HBO (or whoever picks up the PPV distribution rights) enjoys any type of success, then they will go right back to lazy matchmaking, where stars of yesterday are recycled and offered up in fights that mean jack shit in the grand scheme of things.

Instead of this fight, Roy can simply rematch Glen Johnson. That fight means a lot more than beating up a retired middleweight who hasn't won a fight in three years. Johnson is not only available, but flat out begging for a fight, against Roy or anyone else.

Instead of this fight, Roy can do something he never did while on top - travel abroad and take on any given titlist. Or he can simply stay here and fight Chad Dawson.

Instead of this fight, Tito can stay retired and with only two losses. He'll always be my favorite fighter, but unless Roy forgets to train for this fight and leaves his chin dangling in the air, Tito doesn't have a prayer in hell, especially fighting 10 lb. heavier than he's ever been for a prize fight.

Boxing doesn't need either one of them, it just needs to do a better job with the stars (and potential stars) it presently has. This fight feeds to the egos of Roy and Tito, neither of whom can seem to accept the fact that they're no longer the best, among the best, or relevant to any particular weight class.

This fight is a more expensive version of Vargas-Mayorga, in terms of relevance. The difference is that Vargas is fighting under the promise/suggestion that it will be his last (which is why he wanted it in LA). If Jones-Trinidad were fought under such conditions, then perhaps I'd be more interested.

There are all of my reasons for not being interested in this fight. Again, if anyone disagrees (and I'm sure a lot of people do), that's fine - that's the purpose of message boards, to debate shit.

 

With no venue, no network I still don't believe this fight is real.

Don King putting up his own money to finance this seems unrealistic.

 

I don't believe it, either. I can't see King putting together a $15 million figh without a pre-arranged deal, or at least assurance that someone will step up. Maybe he already has a deal w/ Dolan, but claiming it's up for grabs in order to create a bidding war between HBO, Showtime and anyone else interested (that is, if anyone else is interested).

 

When HBO and Showtime pass, it'll be up to Dubai to step in and fund the fight.

Perhaps they'll announce the fight will happen in Macau with Manny Pacquiao as the opening bout.

 

:: ... and wouldn't you know they're STILL building the hotels out there. That's why Pac-MAB II is instead taking place in Vegas.

 

Good Ol' Dubai!!!...

A Rumor ISN'T a RUMOR Until Dubai is Mentioned...

REED:clap:

 

Bingo. Brilliance in a nutshell. :clap:

 

This fight should be boycotted.

 

:: Well then stop being a butt and looking to other topics to defend yours!

That point on "RJJ ducking Tito" didn't DESERVE to be singled out.

Your crap....errr, point....DID.

:tease: ::

 

It deserved to be singled out over mine because Tito could have fought Roy, but he pussed out and quit. Roy kept fighting, not the other way around.

 

I answered you EXACTLY how I felt about boxing this year and in the past , yet you felt the need to continue with your crap about how I haven't been watching boxing and am only a "mainstream boxing fan", I guess you must do this to steer clear from the fact Tito/Roy will NEVER have a negative effect on boxing and the fights that took place or will take place. Be sure to ignore this again and take the high road how you are a "true" fan

 

How am I steering clear of it? I dedicated an entire post to the subject. It was the post after the one you just quoted.

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showpost.php?p=462013&postcount=154

I just find it odd that you haven't been impressed with what boxing has presented this year, yet Jones-Tito is a fight that does it for you.

You're saying the fights scheduled for the rest of the year shouldn't be factored in because for all we know, they could turn out to be shit. How do you know the same won't come of Jones-Tito? When was the last time Roy was in an entertaining fight? Or even a watchable one?

Tito couldn't get out of first gear against modest-hitting Winky Wright (who was coming up in weight, no less). What makes you think he's going to bring to another level against Roy? And fighting 10 lb. heavier than he's ever been for a prize fight?

I'm sorry, but I can't help but constantly trip over the contradictions that exist in your logic.

 

Tyler is excited because he hates Tito, loves Roy and knows Roy's going to dominate Tito. Basically he's excited for a foregone conclusion. That makes him a WWE fan.::

 

Show me where I would even ATTEMPT to say Tito/Roy will do it for me but other fights don't, thats right you can't and that's YOUR logic :doh: I have said this year isn't spectacular, and is only spectacular to you because the last few have been :shit: I have been CRYSTAL clear this fight will do nothing in terms of "boxing" negative or positive. I used DLH/Floyd for OBVIOIUS reasons that you clearly did not want to understand because you are too busy taking the superior "fan" route over me, which is the WEAKEST and nonsensical reason why your point is more valid over anothers? :laughing:

Contradictions? I don't see it, but you however talk about how Roy/Tito are a foregone conclusion and is meaningless, then on the other foot say it will ruin a "stretch" :notallthere: BULLSHIT. You know how I know you are wrong? Because NO ONE believes it will ruin a stretch, no one ::

 

OK, I'll play your game:

Show me where I specifically say that this fight will ruin the current stretch of quality fights boxing has put together. Of all the posts I've made in this thread (and I believe this one is around #25), here's the only post where I even MENTION the word "ruin":

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showpost.php?p=460749&postcount=67

I also didn't say this fight will RUIN this recent stretch of fights. I said the sport takes a giant step backwards by staging this fight. Why? Because if it's a success, then there are more to come, which means more money spent on dinosaurs and less on the truly best of the sport.

All you've done throughout this thread is harp on things I've never said (much like your insistence that I said you should run off to MMA. Or that you're not a real boxing fan if you watch this fight.) Maybe that's why nobody agrees with it - there's nothing to agree on. It's like agreeing or disagreeing on whether being a millionaire has changed me.

What people DO seem to agree with is that this has been a damn good year for boxing, and there are still four months to go. You seem to be alone in believing otherwise.

So maybe we should leave this at:

- I'm in the minority of people not looking forward to this fight.

- You're in the minority of people not overly impressed with what boxing has offered so far in 2007 and has to offer for the rest of the year.

 

That's an excellent point, Jake. I'll be one of those people amped up for this one but - my love for the two fighters aside - I'd be plenty pissed about it if it were anybody else.

Here's to hoping they put on an excellent fight, with the loser retiring and the winner seeking more than just a name in his next bout.

 

Yeah, I wish Roy the best in retirement

 

me too...after he "McCellan's" Tito, he'll be an emotional wreck.

 

Truthfully, I like both guys and don't want to see the fight.

"However"

It's success of failure won't hurt nor help the current trend. It's like saying if Foreman and Holmes would have fought in the mid-90's it would have been bad for the sport. It wouldn't have.

I can't see how this could become a trend seeing that there aren;t many (if any) great fighters such as Tito and Roy hanging around. You can't say that Evander's a product of this because he's been more active than Tito and Roy combined.

I view this as a one off thing which may or may not fly. The only thing I forsee happening is one of these guys getting a date with a younger champion. The most likely result in any scenario is them taking an ass kicking which pushes them finally into retirement.

Leonard's continued comebacks in the 90's didn't help or hurt anything. After his ass kicking to Norris, he took time off came back and got his ass whupped by Camacho.

Both of these guys need that final push to the grave and in the case of one, he'll get it in January, the other later in the year.

I don't see it as a trend.

 

yeah, good bye Roy and thanks for nothing

 

After the fight, instead of Don King chanting his normal "Viva Puerto Rico!!!" he'll be saying, "Puerto Rico esto muerto!!!!!!!"

 

Both examples you offer are different sets of scenarios.

Foreman-Holmes, which at one point was scheduled, never happened due to lack of interest. Quite the opposite of what seems to be the case here.

Leonard - you said it yourself, he got his ass kicked in both fights, therefore unable to have any sort of impact on the sport. The Norris fight was in pursuit of a title, therefore serving a purpose. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the bout was aired on Showtime.

The Camacho-Leonard card was a disgrace, but much like the Holmes-Foreman fight that never was, one that didn't generate much interest in the sport. In other words, the bout wasn't stealing any spotlight from the years other biggest scheduled bouts (at that time, DLH-Whitaker and Holy-Tyson II). Leonard lost. So once again, no time available to make any impact on the sport.

Camacho won - and leapfrogged over every other welterweight (save for David Kamau :: ) in getting a lucrative payday and title shot against DLH. The winner of Jones-Trinidad will do the same. Only if Roy wins, he's not fighting Chad Dawson, or even Woods again or Silvio Branco. He's going for Hopkins again. Why? Because it's by far the biggest payday.(and The Ring pretends that Hopkins is the champ). Sorry, but that fight will not be a replay of DLH-Camacho, in terms of one-sided mismatch. So, I don't see your "winner gets his ass beat later in the year" scenario playing out.

 

Nah, he'll just cease speaking Spanish altogether ::

 

muerto de la risa. Laughing to death for thinking Roy would be any competition for the Great Tito Trinidad.

 

I keep saying the same stuff, that boxing hasn't been that spectacular this year over MANY others I have enjoyed unless you want to compare it to recent ones that have been :shit: . Following your comment about matchups later, I don't know how well they will or won't be, it is not logical to say those fights will be great, for all you know they could be :shit: You want to go into semantics that you didn't use "ruin" you used GIANT STEP BACKWARDS what this fight will do to a "stretch". NO ONE and several people here do not share your ideas that it will take a giant leap backwards or do anything to a "stretch", yet you didn't feel the need to call them a TFK type boxing fan because they disagreed with you. I take notice when you say it's because I am not worthy of your fan status why I have my opinion, even though I completely explained my position SEVERAL times. Saying you are less of a fan than yourself is the weakest statement that was ever invented in a boxing forum. Instead of you giving me examples when I ask you a question, you try and put me down. This is my issue with you.....you absolutely refuse to acknowledge my explanation, so where do we go from here :dunno:

 

This is becoming IandIesque.

 

You have that right, he says he didn't say MMA but the insult stands. Then says he didn't say "ruin" he said GIANT LEAP BACKWARDS, big difference :: I and I semantics 101.