Crawford vs Arum

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  1. Dog Jones

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    Being from Houston I am sure Stinger has trained Rocky Juarez at one point
     
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    :D telling me what i meant when i said "hunter." fucking baby. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Double L

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    he could be overly patient and not let his hands go. it made it frustrating to watch him. but i would not describe him as boring.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

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    TBH, I'd have said a hunter/stalker is a pretty apt way of describing Juarez. At least from what I've seen.

    It's semantic and doesn't mean much, these aren't technical terms and so are open to interpretation.
     
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    Some fighters sell themselves. Others do that and also get lucky. Oscar is a classic example.

    Arum didn't market Oscar. Oscar marketed Oscar. It was all timing and back story and Oscars {then} matinee good looks.

    Spence is a hard sell in a USA with a shifting demographic.

    Latins and Filipinos go mad for their man. And they have lots of "Man" to choose from to fit the bill. Cholo Vargas, Ricky Martin De La Hoya, Salt of the Earth Chavez, Jalisco Canelo, etc. It's all there to cater for all tastes.

    Black boxers don't have that. Whites don't really either. It's either White Hope or Youngstown Depressed Steelworker Mancini syndrome.

    Black boxers are victims of their own success. "Wait, he's not Sugar Ray Leonard II? Where's the new Ali?"

    Now this is not fair, of course, but these are hard-to-shift paradigms.

    Arum COULD go and market Spence as a Blue Collar guy. But Spence putting a car into a wall would likely deflate that balloon quickly anyways.


    Now, I am sure that Arum, who is an old man by any estimation, is not the force he used to be either. I am sure he has a limited imagination when it comes to getting the most out of Spence.

    I think he's incapable rather than biased.

    Roy Jones was a hard fucking sell and that was 30 years ago!!! No MMA, UFC, really. It was the 1990's, shit was really taking off and Roy was still a hard sell.
     
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    Id say a sniper, boxing wise, is more like a guy like Tarver. Patient and doesnt really put pressure on his opponent, but is very accurate and can end it with one punch.

    But, as Georgie boy said, these are descriptive terms who don't have a precise meaning
     

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