Dan Rafael: De La Hoya-Pacquiao is Possible

:: i'd watch it, too i think Manny would do it, but Oscar can't make 144 i guess.


The comparison with Mosley is also bullshit. Mosley was probably one of the strongest lightweights ever + he started out there. Pacman isn't even big for a superfeather and he comes from 106...

 

Well, but to be fair....Manny "started at 106"...when he was SIXTEEN.

By '99 he had already hit 122 lbs.

Manny is truly a natural FWT/SFWT now, no doubt about it...and he may be a bit short, but he's not a "small" Superfeather in that sense.

All that being said....this IS quite a ridiculous topic.

Peace.

 

Wow...two guys in Merchant and Dan that have never boxed before and know absolutely about boxing trying to tell people about boxing.::
It was particularly amusing when Rafael said that Merchant had "forgotten" more boxing than most people ever knew.

 

So had either of them done little light sparring, i would change everything?

 

:nono: That's true...it's what happens when you hit the bottle so hard for so many years.

 

What's Strange is how Manny has GROWN Into those Weights...

In the 1st Barrera Bout, Manny Looked UNDERSIZED, but by the Marquez Bout he DIDN'T...

In the 1st Morales Bout, Manny Looked VERY Undersized, but he Looked Less & LESS So in the 2nd & 3rd Bouts...

& in the RE w/Barrera, there WASN'T a Size Difference...



REED

 

Skinny was robbed, he messed Pac up with a jab. It was only a long count that got Pac the win that night. Imagine the great things Skinny would have gone on to produce. This should be his fight with DLH not Pacs. :flip:

 

hussein did knock him out a/ jab but pac beat him up for the most part. that was kinda bizarre. i've never seen a fighter get hurt and pretty much out from a jab that didnt even appear to be all that devastating.

 

TWIN was asking about Manny's journey to 130, not Roy's trip to heavyweight :nono:

 

There's more to boxing than two guys in a ring. They barely touched on what would happen in the ring.

 

You cut me Jake...you cut me deep.

 

i like merchant, but his problem is that he's a bit too harsh at times. most journalists have never boxed and that's fine. i've sparred a lot and had 2 fake fights, but that's irrelevant to what i write about.

i'm sure a lot of the NBA broadcasters (excluding former players) have played b-ball at one point in their lives, but not on a competitive level, yet they're able to do their job.

i think it's when guys like merchant and others shit on boxers and belittle them is what rubs people the wrong way.

dan rafael is just fat and arrogant. he's a good reporter and very informative. fighters often get predictions wrong more so than journalists/reporters do.

at the end of the day, everyone has their own opinion. and you know what they say about opinions in reference to a certain body part that stinks.

 

Yeah....Manny is the prime example of what we mean when we say "growing into the weight."

However, I didn't think Manny looked undersized vs. Barrera in the first fight, and I just saw it recently. Matter of fact I remember thinking how good/well-sized he looked.

He also looked bigger than expected vs. Morales in the first match-up...again, I remember thinking how thick & muscled he looked...Erik looked taller, but not broader/bigger.

But yeah, Manny has filled out nicely....definitely a natural 128-130 lber. or thereabouts...at minimum, FWT.

Peace.

 

this may seem like a mythical matchup but i think what merchant was seeing was the two biggest stars in the sport possibl coming together in the future

the window isnt wide and pacquiao would have to go up and DLH go down to weights that havent been realized in awhile but this would definitely be the biggest fight of the decade

manny will fight anyone even if he would be the underdog so i dont see how
this is so inconceivable

if merchants scenario turns out and DLH can make some kind of 140-145 catchweight this would be an enormous event

it looks like that is all hes saying anyway

 

well he was a superbantam four years ago and while i agree he kinda grown into the weights not but he isn't particular big for 130. But even if u think he is there is still a difference to the 5'9 lightweight Mosley... :kick:

 

To Hear SOME Posters Tell it, Merchant's just Being "Honest" in those Instances ...

To REED, "Honesty" Is NOT Synonymous w/Being a PRICK...& ALOT of Times, Merchant is a PRICK just for the SAKE of it...


REED

 

Oh, no doubt.....that "comparison" was pretty ridiculous.

 

THAT is no doubt true.

However, some people interpret ANY questioning of a boxer's decisions or performance as being "disrespectful" or "arrogant" or being a "prick."

And THAT I disagree with too.

The hard questions need to be asked....we ask them and bitch about them and criticize boxers here on message boards - but then we take offense when they are asked to our favorite boxers face-to-face.

Unfortunately, guys like Merchant often fail to walk the fine line in this regard...but then again, you're never going to please everyone; even moreso when they are the uncomfortable 'hard' questions.

I generally don't like Merchant, but I don't criticize him EVERY time....sometimes he is RIGHT on the money.

Peace.

 

some claim Pacquiao has improved so much he is the new Ali so maybe he can pull it off. :dunno:


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Some people claim Pac makes so many mistakes you could write a book about them. I have always thought that is stupid, but if he goes on with this, then he does make a big one

 

yeah, but all you're really left with in the end is a more expensive version of Jones-Trinidad - or perhaps a less expensive version of Floyd-GLH.

Fuck, if we're gonna have Pac move up, let him fight Floyd at a catchweight next year. If they're dumb enough to believe Pac can move up to 147, then 140 certainly wouldn't be any problem whatsover. And Floyd can move down - i don't want to hear that he can't make 140. He's almost filled out at 147, rarely weighing 10 lb. more than that on fight night. At least THAT fight would once and for all determine P4P supremacy. Fuck all these spectacles and sideshow acts.

And :: at everyone that searches through the article for potential flaws. The whole fuckin' piece is flawed. But even if any of it were to be taken seriously, it loses all credibility in suggesting that Pacquiao RIGHT NOW is in his prime, never mind suggesting that he'd STILL be in his prime as a fuckin' welterweight, while Oscar has the disadvantage of moving down.

 

floyd-DLH is the highest selling fight in history so if that is repeated with styles that are fun to watch i dont see how thats bad at all

this fight wouldnt be so much about establishing who the best is but rather more of a really entertaining and compelling matchup that would unite the two biggest fan bases in the sport

boxing needs fights like this even in theory

good compelling storylines help drive revenue and interest and this would certainly do the trick

 

i just don't see how it would be fun to watch, being that I don't see Pacquiao being competitive against anyone at welterweight.

If you find it compelling, more power to you. maybe Dan and Larry will ask you to the table the next time they're emptying a bottle of something (or a vat of ice cream)

 

i dont know about you guys, but i'm looking more forward to tito-jones than i did for floyd-oscar.

 

Not me.

At least with Mayweather-De La Hoya, you had the WW champ and top p4per who's in/near his prime fighting, and against a guy who's bigger and still skilled.

Tito will have been inactive for 32 months, lost 12-0 in his last fight, and fighting 10 lbs above anywhere else he has fought. Roy's pretty far past his prime too.

I felt Oscar was a live underdog against Floyd. I give Tito less of a chance against Roy than I did Marco against Manny a couple weeks ago.

 

That was EXACTLY what I was going to post, Triplet. :clap:

Great post.

Pac-DLH is a circus act.

If they're really serious? Make Manny-PBF at 140.

Peace.

 

I'm SOOO excited to see Roy-Tito!

you know.. F it! I say the winner of that fight fights Pac!!

 

I think that there is a better chance of Jabba the Rafael and Whiskey River Merchant doing the cha cha on Dancing with the Stars than Pac fighting DLH.

What a complete dumbfuck ::

 

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