Dana White HATES Randy Couture and will continue to hate him as long as he's alive

He should learn from Vince McMahon. Business is business, it's nothing personal. Who would've thought that Vince would make peace with Bret Hart? He's a businessman and he knows how to put personal vendettas aside, say sorry, accept an apology and move on. Dana is a drama queen.

 

Of course, Pride went out of business, and early UFC was all but dead before Dana White convinced the Fertitta's to buy it.

Thank you for proving my point.


TFK

 

Business is business with Vince and he takes nothing personal, except keeping Macho Man out of the Hall of Fame because Macho Man fucked his daughter when she was 17.


TFK

 

Uuuuuh, 1 of the Fertitties was Actually ALREADY a Former Member of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, w/Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep Ass Pockets...There was ALREADY an Interest in Combat Sports on their Part...Dana was a Childhood Friend of theirs who Managed Lidell & Ortiz @ the Time...


Dana was a CHILDHOOD Friend who was Babysitting 2 up & Coming Fighters, so the Fertitties Made him President of UFC...

If Anything, REED just SHITTED on your "Point", Homegirl...Dana White was FORTUNATE Enough to Manage Ortiz & Liddell (2 Fighter who WOULD have Gone On to Become PROMINENT MMA Names, w/Or w/Out Dana White)....Dana was Also FORTUNATE Enough to have a CHILDHOOD Relationship w/the Fertitties...

WOW!!!...God's Gift to MMA...



REED:wack:

 

The Combat Sports World is ALOT Smaller via Youtube & Other Internet Means...Hell, Look Noooooooo Fuuuuuurther than Kimbo Slice, who was Arguably THE BIGGEST "Name" in MMA (For a Short Period of Time), Based SOLELY on INTERNET Fame...

Are you HONESTLY Telling REED that a Guy like Anderson Silva or GSP Would've NEVER Been Known to the Masses if NOT for Dana White???...If So, U're FOOLING Yourself...

REED is a Casual Fan of MMA...When REED Finally Got Around to Watching MMA, it was Because he was Intrigued by Rampage Jackson...Rampage's UFC Fight w/Liddell had Gotten Tons of Press & Liddell's was a Name REED had Heard Mentioned Quite a Bit...So the Next Time Rampage Fought, REED was ALL OVER It...

If you Notice, @ NO Point Did REED Reference Dana White Or the "Way UFC is RAN", in what Attracted Him...It was the FIGHTER(S)...REED Feels SAFE in Saying the MAJORITY of MMA Fans are/were Attracted to a Particular Fighter, FighterS, the Curiosity of How a Style they're Familiar w/Meshes w/Another Style, or Something Along those Lines...Something Directly Related to the ACTION in the Cage, Not Some GOTdamned Potty Mouthed Wuss in a Suit...

Show REED 1 Person (Other than You & TFK) who LEGITIMATELY Cites Dana White as THE Reason they Watch MMA???...




REEDopcorn:

 

Aren't You the SENSITIVE Ass Mod BITCHING about "Attacks" & Whatnot???...Yet when REED PIMPSLAPS the Flimsy "Points" You & TFK Conjure Up, All you Guys Counter w/is Thinly Veiled Attacks...

In YOUR World, Sucking Dana White's DICK is Bliss....




REED:wack:

 

You really don't know anything about the history of the UFC, do you? Like I said, do a couple of Google searches, and maybe one of them will bring up the well documented story of how Dana White convinced the Fertitta's to buy the UFC, in spite of it being banned from TV and PPV and illegal in most states and on the verge of bankruptcy.

It's laughable how far off you are on this one.

You're confusing yourself. Nobody ever said they watch MMA to see Dana White. That's not even the debate we are having. But if you can't see why White deserves the a lot of the credit for the success of the UFC when countless MMA groups have failed in the past, one of them almost being the UFC itself before Zuffa, then you really don't have a clue about the history and goings on of the sport.

 

Again, if You Actually KNEW what the Fuck You were Talking about, You'd have Elaborated 2-3 Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays Ago, Homegirl....




REED:hammert:

 

Once again, your ignorance is not my responsibility. And by many of the things you have posted in this thread, your ignorance of the UFC and it's history knows no bounds. The story of how Dana White convinced the Fertittas to buy the UFC is well documented, as are White's achievements since Zuffa purchased the UFC. I suggest you do a little research and educate yourself on the subject before coming back into this thread and making an even bigger fool of yourself than you already have.

But if you're gonna continue claiming I don't know what I'm talking about while saying things like Joe Silva has meant more to the UFC than Dana White, White is just a figurehead and nothing more, and the Fertitta's decided to bring White along on their MMA venture for no other reason than because he was an old friend of theirs, you deserve every bit of ridicule you are opening yourself up for.

TFK

 

"Arguably", Kimbo was, if You're Aware of what the Word Means...

What Makes You Think REED Never Heard of Rampage or Anderson Silva Until they Came to UFC???...REED Never WATCHED MMA Until Rampage vs. Henderson, but REED had Been HEARING about "Name" MMAists for Years...Liddell, Ortiz, Mir, Silva, Fedor, Wanderlai, Rampage, etc...Thanks for the PRESUMPTION Though...

Do You HONESTLY Think these Guys were just Gonna Fade Into Oblivion???...Their TALENT Was Such that REED Feels they WOULD have Gained a U.S. Audience Eventually, w/or w/Out Dana White...



REED:hammert:

 

You're the Fucking QUEEN BEE of Ridicule, Homegirl...The "Self OWNAGE" Award Goes Toooo......????....YOU!!!...Hell, You AREN'T Even Comfortable Responding UNTIL Anthony's Said Something First...

Go Back to Mexican Fanatics & have MMA Discussions w/YOURSELF...




REED::

 

That's some brilliant debating right there.

I'd guess you'd rather cry like a baby than do the research and admit that I'm right and you're wrong.

Good job, Reed.

TFK

 

U've Been CLAIMING to Have an Answer that U've FAILED to Deliver, for SEVERAL PAGES Now....You LOSE....


REED:num:

 

Correct REED if he's Wrong, but Wasn't Strikeforce/Elite FC (or Whatever they were Called) THE FIRST MMA Promotion to Broadcast on Non-Subscription, AMERICAN Television???...WHO was the Headliner of that Very 1st Show???....

To Say Kimbo Slice WASN'T, @ the Very Least, "ARGUABLY" the Biggest Name in MMA (for Even a BRIEF Period of Time) is BULLSHIT...How Many Other MMAists have Garnered ESPN Magazine Covers???....

On that Same Note, Dana White had Absolutely NATHAN To Do w/Strikeforce/Elite FC Positioning THEMSELVES Into Getting a Non-Subscripion, AMERICAN Televised Card, Did He???...So, Needless to Say, it CAN Be Done w/Out Dana White....Hell, if Memory Serves, White was his Usual, Bratty, Potty Mouthed Self During that Period, & Even Offered Up some COUNTER Programming ("Ultimate Iceman" or Something), to Try and Offset Ratings....

If Shamrock DOESN'T Get Injured in his Friggin DRESSING ROOM & if Seth Petruzelli DOESN'T Cash In on the Opportunity of a Lifetime; Basically, if Kimbo Slice DIDN'T Lose that Night & was Afforded More BENEFICIAL Matchmaking, there's No Telling just How Faaaaaaaaaaaaaar Things Could've Progressed for a NON UFC MMA Company....

What's CLEAR is, Dana White was THREATENED by Strikeforce/Elite FC...In your Rush to Harvest White's Unborn Seeds, you're IGNORING FACTS like this...




REED:mj:

 

For the 3rd time, your ignorance is not my responsibility.

If you want to see why you're wrong, do the research. I have already pointed you in the right direction. But if you're happy being ignorant and looking foolish, then by all mean, continue to do so.

TFK

 

Once again, you're making my point for me by bringing up EliteXC and Kimbo Slice. That is the perfect example of how NOT to run an MMA business. They put all of their eggs in Kimbo's basket, a fighter who had zero MMA skills. They did everything they could to protect him, and still failed. In just 2 years of existence, EliteXC lost about $60 million dollars.

$60 million dollars.

There's a reason why the UFC has become a global empire while all of these other groups keep failing.


TFK

 

And how much money the UFC lost in the first years after Zuffa bought it ???

You also have to consider that even before the Fertitas era, the UFC was already associated with MMA and was already semi-mainstream. Sure White and the Fertitas did a good job, but their's a lot of external factors that helped as : the Fertitas having deep pockets, having the UFC brand wich was already established, coming at a time were MMA was on the rise globally ( huge in Japan and was at his peak in Canada too ), having the WWE build up Shamrock and specifically for Dana White, having the Fertitas goe against his advice and greenlighted TUF. But the biggest reason of it all is without a doubt the internet wich helped all sports increased their potential fanbase tremendously, especially for non major sports

 

Roger Huerta was the first MMA fighter on the cover of Sports Illustrated. So I guess we can throw out that argument, right?

The UFC had several chances to air live on Network TV, they just never accepted the deals because they weren't right for the company. CBS wanted too much control of the production. They wanted their own announcers (No Goldberg and Rogan), their own sets, etc, and White wouldn't allow that. White was smart and didn't just jump into the first offer that fell in his lap for the sake of being on Network TV. He waited, stuck by his guns, and ended up signing the historic deal with Fox which is working out great for both the UFC and Fox.

Not bad for someone who is only the 'face' of the company.

EliteXC was CBS's 'Plan B'. We see how well that worked out.

TFK

 

I believe they were down something like $44 million before things turned around and started to make a profit. But that's the thing, they were able to turn things around. They had a plan and they followed it. And it wasn't some half-assed Kimbo Slice plan either.

Do you honestly think that if Zuffa didn't buy the UFC, and the UFC went out of business, there would've even been an EliteXC?

TFK

 

If the UFC went out of business, I think it's pretty much a sure thing that another org would have taken it's spot and made the sport popular. As I said before, MMA was getting big in Canada at the time without the UFC, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't have happened in the States too ( and if I'm not wrong, it was already happening in California wiht SF ). Now, would it have been as popular as it is now, probably not, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Just look at the NHL, by all accounts it's run terribly yet his viewership keeps increasing. Why ? Because many people likes the sport and it has a huge community involves with it, and as the NHL has pretty much the monopoly on high level hockey ( kind of like the UFC as alway's had with MMA ), anyone interested in hockey is pretty much stuck with it.

 

When's the Last Time, Fuck it, When's the FIRST Time Dana White was Faced w/a MAIN EVENT Guy who Got Injured IN HIS FUCKING DRESSING ROOM, HOURS BEFORE A HIGHLY PUBLICIZED FIGHT????...

Are you HONESTLY Gonna Sit there & Pretend it was Shrewd, Dana WhiteLESS Ingenuity Involved???...Shamrock Got Cut THE DAY OF THE FIGHT & LITERALLY, ON THE SPOT, Elite XC was FORCED into Doing Something/Anything to Preserve the Show....It was Waaaaaaaaaaay Tooooooooooooo LATE in the Game for the show to Be Cancelled, as FIGHTNIGHT was Already in Progress, Homey...

Dana White Threw 1 of the BIGGER Hissy Fits in MMA History, when Jon Jones Backed Out of a Replacement Opponent, Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays BEFORE a Scheduled Fightnight...Kimbo had a Change of Opponent ON FIGHTNIGHT...Do U REALLY Think Dana Would have Been the Astute Businessman U're PATHETICALLY Portraying Him to Be, Under THOSE Circumstances????...Where's the EVIDENCE that he Would/Could Be???....

The Bottom Line is THIS...

EliteXC was Trying to Make the Most Out of a DISASTROUS Situation (the Opponent Of their High Profile, Main Event, Marquee Fighter Getting Cut on THE DAY of their Fight)...w/ Cameras ALREADY ROLLING, there's NOfuckingWAY they Could've "Given" the Live Viewing, Television Audience a NON-Kimbo Related Card, THAT Late in the Game....

As Such, Petruzelli was Thrown Into the Mix, MAINLY Because he was UNDERSIZED & Presumably LESS of a Threat to Kimbo, yet he Ended Up EXPOSING Kimbo, Nonetheless...This was Under Perhaps THE Most DIRE of Circumstances ANY MMA Organization has EVER Been Under, Given the Dollars, Hype & Coverage Involved...So Please CEASE & DESIST w/this Flippant Attitude of Yours, Acting as If Elite XC had a Choice in the Matter....

Elite XC Folded Because Kimbo Lost, but Even had Kimbo NOT Fought that Night, they'd have STILL "Lost" that Night....

Not 1nce, in this ENTIRE Thread, has Your "Point" Been "Made" for You, So Kindly Respond w/Something TANGIBLE (Finally), or Take your MMA MENSTRUAL Ass Back to that Combative Sports WASTELAND you Attempted (& FAILED) to Create...



REED:mj:

 

If Ya'll REALLY Wanna Play that Game, You Could JUST AS EASILY Credit PRIDE & Early Doors UFC for BUILDING MMA to the Degree that White, the Fertitties, etc., Could EXPAND It.....

You're Right, Elite XC WOULDN'T have Gotten "Regular" T.V. Coverage w/Out UFC, but UFC Under Zuffa WOULDN'T have Been In Postition to Influence the Game the Way it Has, w/Out Pride & Other MMA Companies...

EACH 1 REACH 1....



REED:kidcool:

 

not to mention the UFC pretty much piggyback the WWE popularity