Dana White HATES Randy Couture and will continue to hate him as long as he's alive

Yeah, I'm sure McMahon went in there blindfolded, totally ignorant of the sport and without any knowledgeable person. That must be exactly why the XFL failed

 

Did McMahon have any experience with professional football at all before the XFL?

He thought that the WWF name, along with a couple of whacky rule changes would be enough to make the league successful. That mistake cost him $35 Million dollars.

TFK

 

Ok, so the UFC under Dana White's leadership has become a billion dollar global industry, when no other MMA organization before or after has even come close. But White doesn't deserve the lion's share of the credit for that according to a couple of you. So I'll ask again, who does? Obviously no single person gets all the credit, but what one person should be looked at the main reason for the UFC's success?


TFK

 

Perhaps. The proper question, however, is 'Would the UFC have become as big as it is now without Dana White as its president?'

The answer that that question is 'It is extremely unlikely.'

 

Cite for this? (I assme $34 million). Even with a cite, I'm skeptical about its accuracy. The lack of true financial information about the UFC was one of your fallback posititions when we would debate about how badly they fucked over fighters. And it's a point with some validity, I still concede, despite it being far from persuasive with everything else suggesting the company was doing extremely well. However, that concerned the mid to late 00's and this is more of the early 00's.

 

But according to them, 'anybody' could've made the UFC successful.

TFK

 

Why Does ONE Person have to Be Looked @???...If Dana White CREATED MMA or even UFC, REED Could See your Point, but he Didn't...

Look @ Other Sports, Basketball, for Instance...James Naismith CREATED the Game...George Mikan was the Game's 1st SUPERSTAR, Jerry West is the Logo, Dr. J Added an URBAN Element, Bird & Magic Propelled the Sport to Front Page News & Primetime Television, Jordan Made the Game GLOBAL & your Kobe's & LeBron's have Brought the Game to the Social Media Age...

But If You Asked REED or Anybody Else to Single Out ONE Person Most Responsible for Where the NBA is Today, it'd Be Impossible...Some Might Cite Naismith, for CREATING the Game, but Aside from that, it'd Be FOOLISH to Pinpoint & Credit ONE Entity...Faaaar Toooooooooooo Many Contributors to Single out ONE Guy...

MMA & UFC is No Different...

As REED Stated Earlier, How Bout Citing A Fighter or SOME Fighters First???...Sure, Guys on the BUSINESS End are Important as Well, but there's More than Enough Credit to Go Around Amongst ALL of the Suits...

REED Doubts Dana White HIMSELF would Accept the Level of Credit You & Anthony are Heaping Upon him & REED is FULLY Aware that White Possesses 1 of the Larger Egos in Existence...The EACH 1, REACH 1 Theory is the Answer, but for whatever Reason, Ya'll Can't See Past the WOODY you have for Dana White...




REED:hammert:

 

Because no single fighter can say they have done more for the success of the UFC than White. Pretty simple.

TFK

 

May Seem Simple to YOU, but the GENESIS of UFC & MMA Fandom, as a Whole, is a DIRECT Byproduct of Interest in a PARTICULAR Fighter(s), a STYLE of Fighting &/or the Sheer CURIOSITY of How they'd MESH...

The Sport ITSELF, In Other Words...



REED:hammert:

 

How did Current Day UFC GET TO THE POINT that it's Now "Dana's Baby"?...When Dana's Jet Setting, Making Deals, Getting Contracts, etc., What EXACTLY is he PROMOTING???...HIMSELF or the PRODUCT???...

If You Want to Annoint Dana White as an MMA "Pioneer", REED'll GLADLY Place that Crown Upon his Head w/You...But You & your Echo Insist Upon Applying ABSOLUTE (MORE than ANY Other) Credit Upon Him, which is DISRESPECTFUL to the Men who LITERALLY PLIED the Trade...THAT'S What this Debate is About....

MMA is a MERGING of CENTURIES Old Fighting Disciplines & COUNTLESS Legends Within Said Disciplines...To Suggest the Sport Itself is Successful Primarily BECAUSE of Dana White, Completely Ignores the Game's HISTORY, Which HAS EXHIBITED SUCCESS Devoid OF Dana White...




REED:hammert:

 

Is REED REALLY Supposed to Give a Fuck about YOUR WEAK Ass Labeling his Position "Weak"???....




REED::

 

Look how quickly reed uses profanity and personal attacks once an argument doesn't go his way.

 

Understatement of the year. But I just ignore all of the juvenile name calling and bizarre talk of woodies and ballsacks and focus on his argument, which at best has been ridiculous.

I'm pretty certain if Dana White didn't act like such an ass most of the time, people would be more willing to give him the credit he deserves. But since he can come off as egotistical, unlikable and often looks like a baby when he takes things personally, people try to minimize his importance to the UFC.

TFK

 

It's funny but Dana White himself credits TUF for saving the UFC. Prior to TUF, and on the heals of losing $34 million between 2000 and 2004, the Fertittas came up with the idea of an Ultimate Fighter reality series. Again, Dana by his own admission, thought the concept was cheesy and didn't support it.

The series was a success and Griffin-Bonnar was a springboard for the UFC. Not surprisingly, the coaches fight between Liddell and Couture was a PPV bonanza driven in no small part by the TUF series.

So as President, Dana lost $34 million the first 4-5 years and didn't support the most important decision the company EVER made.

Some people might say the UFC succeeded DESPITE Dana White over the first 5-7 years.

Anthony keeps harping on White getting MMA approved and accepted in many states. Let's be clear. Joe Silva has been lightyears more important than White in that regard. The work he did in the late 90's with rule revisions and dealing with the State Athletic Commissions kept the sport from being banned nationwide. If not for that work, Dana and the Fertittas would have had their hands full trying to stage events in the early days of Zuffa owning the UFC.

I give Dana a ton of credit for the UFC's current success. No question. But I reject the notion that he had some Midas touch. He didn't. If the Fertittas listened to him about TUF, the company likely would have folded by 2006. Does anyone disagree with that?

Honestly think about it . 2 events before Liddell and Couture fought as tough coaches, the UFC barely sold 40K PPV's for UFC 50 headlined by Ortiz. 2 events later, UFC 52 crushed the UFC's PPV record by selling almost 300,000 PPV's. It is impossible to deny the credit TUF deserves for saving the UFC. The numbers can't be argued.

And to further drive home the importance of TUF, Matt Hughes fought the rematch with Frank Trigg on the huge Couture-Liddell PPV. The fight was one of the best in UFC history and basically launched the popularity of Matt Hughes. Not coincidentally, in his next fight Hughes bridged the gap between the new UFC and the old UFC by fighting Royce Gracie. That event destroyed MMA PPV records by selling with over 600K buys. It doesn't happen if not for TUF.

So in a nutshell, Dana lost $34 million and had the UFC headed toward folding before an idea that wasn't his and he didn't support saved the company. LOL.. Yeah, give him all the credit.

 

Please, Anthony:wack:...

Your Reputation as the Quintessential Last Word, SEMANTIC WHORE, is FIRMLY Entrenched...This Particular Forum is PERMEATED w/Instances of YOU DIVERTING an Issue to Whether or Not you Used the PAST or PRESENT Tense of a Word, & Other Madness...

"Test", REED's Ass:clapagain:...

On the Site's MMA Forum, the Majority has Sided w/REED, NOT Ya'll, on the Dana White Matter...You & your Echo have Done NATHAN More than Fool EACH OTHER Into Believing you Actually HAVE a Point....

TFK/"ECH"O, You're Now INFAMOUS for Embarrassing YOURSELF OFF of this Site....Thought You had Waaaaaaaaaaaay more PULL than you Actually Did & PLAYED YOURSELF into Some "Him or Me" BULLSHIT...Despite you Pathetically PARROTING Every Syllable that Leaves Anthony's Mouth, Even he CAN'T DENY the Pure, Unadulterated SELFfuckingOWNAGE you Heaped Upon YOURSELF...

The Fighbeater's that KNOW your Background Actually LAUGH, Every Single Time You Post...You're Basically PetreTG, Only Petre was Smart Enough to STAY AWAY, after he CLOWNED Himself...
employee???:mut:You ALREADY KNOW you Should Shut the Hell Up....Posting FOREIGN Men's Torso's, Passing them Off as yours???....Seriously??:scratcher:...

But Then, you COMPOUND Matters by DARING REED to Continue CLOWNING Your Ass, & You'd Show Pics of YOU w/Black Women...But Barely 5 Seconds AFTER REED Accepted the Challenge, you WUSSEDthefuckOUT....

REED has made MULTIPLE Points in this Thread....More than the SUM TOTAL of YOU (Anthony) & your Echo...


REED:boohoo:

 

What do these nonsensical rantings....rantings that do nothing but prove Anthony and Boss's point, by the way.....have to do with Dana White's value to the UFC?

Try to stay focused.


TFK

 

I was actually at that card. Yeah, GSP was pretty much an unknown at that point to the crowd.

TFK

 

No one is comparing Blatnick to White. We are comparing Silva to White because YOU claimed White got MMA approved in most states. Blatnick's role is pointless.

It might be impossible for you to say whether the UFC would have folded, but that was the believe of the Fertittas. I'll take their word. I am assuming they know a little something about the UFC's finances.

And I have to laugh. Everyone with an ounce of sense credits the explosion of PPV sales for Couture-Liddell on their coaching on TUF. And just to underscore how ridiculous it is to deny the credit to TUF, the first Liddell-Couture fight did less than 50K PPV buys. Yes, that's right. Here's the help with the math. The rematch did 6 times as many PPV sales.

Seriously, I can't believe anyone would question the impact TUF immediately had on PPV sales. It just boggles my mind. It turns it's back on the facts.

 

Did I forget? Did you forget that you owned up to being wrong about White getting MMA approved in MOST state? We went over this. Did YOU forget.

Oh and are you kidding me? There were some UFC events before UFC 52 that did less than 10,000 buys. Show me one PPV after UFC 52 that did that horribly. I'll wait for this one. Just one. There really is no comparison. And you should agree. It kind of helps your Dana White as the savior of MMA---Bad PPV's before and Good PPV's after. Right?

Let's do a little review:

1) Dana got MMA approved in most states----FALSE
2) There were post UFC PPV numbers as low as pre UFC 52 number---- Again false


But you completely ignored addressing the fact that Dana White lost $34 million in his first 4 years as UFC president and try to shoot down TUF, which ended up being the idea that saved the UFC-(Dana's own words).

Again, with that track record it would be fair to say the UFC succeeded DESPITE Dana White being president.

You're trying to argue against sound logic. There is no disputing that the UFC blew away their previous PPV record IMMEDIATELY following the first TUF. And it was with fighters that had fought before and DIDN'T set record PPV's. Occam's Razor dude. The simplest and most obvious answer is probably right. Don't fight it. It's clear as day.