Dana White on the current state of boxing.

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Man what the fuck happened in this thread? So much animosity.

I agree with Godfather that a lot of are you are just upset because it's Dana White talking, and that's fine, he's a big-mouthed prick. But that doesn't mean there isn't validity to what he is saying, regardless of whether he has an agenda or not. Shit just about everyone here jumping on Godfather who isn't Reed has an anti-MMA agenda for whatever reason.

The point is boxing is fucked up and on the decline, too much politics and too much ego. Yeah these problems are prevalent in MMA as well, but MMA can take it for now and its a question of how much longer boxing can, considering these issues are only worsening and there's no one out there in a position of power looking out for the better of the sport.

 

An "anti-MMA agenda"?

If this is somehow directed towards me, pull out one comment I've made to show it.

As for Dana White's comments, he's a promoter, he has an agenda in his comments, just like Richard Schaeffer does, just like Bob Arum does, that doesn't mean there's no truth in what he said, but the fact is, nothing that he said in that conversation about the problems in boxing is new.

They've been talked about on here, and continue to be talked about on here...and if certain posters were sincerely interested in talking about them, they could find any number of threads in which they could add something to the discussion instead of piggy-backing on comments made by Dana White.

 

The thing that amazes me is that almost everyone on here agrees with Dana White's comments yet they are so threatened because he's an MMA guy that they've lashed out at Godfather like a bunch of girls in the school yard.

The video that was posted dealt with boxing's issues and 100% deserves to be in the General Forum. The little sissies that get their panties in a wad at the simple mentioning of MMA need to hitch up their pantyhose and move the fuck on.

I guarantee you that the video wasn't posted to start an MMA versus Boxing debate, but the tender sensitivities of boxing fans come rapidly to the surface when Dana's bald head makes an appearance.

This is certainly funny stuff.

 

So you do your boxing talk on other forums and that's why you never post in the Fightbeat boxing forum? Is that what you're selling now? athetic:

 

I see your point,and when I say that I wasn't thinking of you specifically,but more of slystaff and stevedave, who have admitted to not being fans of the sport. This thread was probably better off in the MMA forum.

 

/discussion

 

I agree there is a place for the discussion in this forum, too bad most of these guys don't want it here. Oh well

 

Good riddance

 

Says another guy who spends most of his time in the MMA forum.

What's kind of funny is how the people who want to talk about boxing do so in the boxing threads, and how the people who want to talk about MMA do so in "Dana White" boxing threads.

You want to talk about criticism of HBO, go into the "HBO Dumps the Klitschko's" thread, or any number of other threads.

You want to talk about criticism of Golden Boy Promotions, go into the "ESPN : Mosley-Mora finalized for September 18th, Staples Center" thread, or the "PPV: Marquez-Diaz II, Jacobs-Pirog, Guerrero-Casamayor, Linares-Juarez" thread, or again, any number of other threads.

The list could go on.

 

As if the MMA Forum DOESN'T House it's Fair Share of "Little Sissies" who Do Just as MUCH Bitching, when the Shoe is on the Other Foot???...

Hell, TFK Fucking BANNED Guys for Content that HE PERSONALLY Didn't See as Being "Fit" for the MMA Forum...Yeah, Boxing Guys R BITCHING on this Particular Thread, but REED has WITNESSED Plenty of Instances where the Roles were REVERSED...



REED:shit:

 

But that doesn't mean their aren't legitimate points. But hey I hardly post in either forum so I guess I ain't shit.:TLC:

 

I think, honestly, the situation with White boils down to the old "no one can beat up my brother but me" type of thing.

I acknowledge that many things that White is saying is true, however it's his motives behind saying it that are shady to me. He talks about how he's such a boxing fan, yet I don't recall the last positive thing he said about boxing, that didn't either get immediately followed up with a negative, or was a backhanded compliment.

For someone who's a supposed fan of boxing, and from what I've heard he supposedly IS (or was), he never seems to have anything but negative shit to say.

And I think that the fact that it's in his best business interest for Boxing to fail and be looked at as a dying sport, lends credence to those who question his motives.

If a die hard boxing fan, someone who can't be questioned on their credentials as a boxing fan or their love of the sport, such as Bert Sugar were to come out and say the exact same thing, I think it would be received differently.

Because Sugar is one of us, so to speak. And when he criticizes the sport, you're not second guessing his motives.

White comes off as a douchebag who just wants to shit on Boxing while covering himself with the "oh but some of my best sports are boxing" excuse.

 

I would agree with that

 

Exactly, White is like Godfather...a fake boxing fan trying to convince people that he cares about the "direction" the sport is going in. It's laughable.

 

If I come into the MMA forum claiming to be a UFC fan but I have never seen, wanted to see, or even tried to see a Cain Velasquez fight you have full rights to attack my credibility

 

White's playing the role of a politician, it looks good for him to say "I don't want boxing to die, but I think it will".

Think about it, if he's using James Toney to make inroads into the boxing public, it doesn't help if he's telling fans of the sport "I'm trying to kill boxing", it'd be a non-starter with a lot of hem.

But anybody who follows politics knows that if a candidate repeats something enough times in the press, and it goes unchecked, it begins to take hold in the minds of some in the press and the general public.

Associating the words "death" and "boxing" is good, even if he's saying "I don't want it to, but I think it will", because it begins to be a topic for discussion, and it puts "boxing" on the defensive, because people int he sport now have to actually address the subject in that language.

It's no longer "boxing has problems, how do you improve boxing", it's "boxing is dying, can it be saved".

 

Boxing is at it's lowest state of popularity in my lifetime in America right now, but that doesn't change the level of hypocritsy from MMA cocksuckers regarding the problems with boxing, even though MMA can pull the same shit and be highly credited for it. Boxing and it's fighters are clearly held to higher standards than any other athletes in any other sport.

 

I would use Roy Nelson in comparison to David Haye rather than a guy who ACTUALLY has a fight with the champion like Velasquez. Unless of course Haye has a fight with one of the Klits scheduled. Did I miss that in my MMA lovefest haze?

Shit, but then again if Roy beats Dos Santos then he is likely the next guy to get a shot at the champ. So again, that's not quite like Haye. How about we use Kongo or Cro Cop? Deal?

Kidding and I get your point....

 

Dana White is just like the guys on PTI and Around the Horn. He doesn't even follow Boxing yet acts like he has all the answers in fixing the sport. If he actually watched the sport i would take his opinion a lot more seriously. His I love boxing but.... opening line makes all the MMA fanboys believe that he really is a fan of the sport. Just like any of the mainstream media out there, there will be crickets when a fight like Corrales-Castillo or Morales-Barrera comes along, but when Mayweather and Pacquiao the only 2 fighters he even knows can't come to terms for a fight he will be all over it, conviniently covering up the fact that Silva isn't fighting GSP or Lesnar wasn't fighting Fedor.

 

Requoting this to respond to the specific point about Bert Sugar....and use Thomas Hauser as an example.

How many articles has he put out over the years highlighting the problems with the way boxing is run...where he's critical of HBO, Golden Boy, etc.?

And when those articles come out, are there not discussions on the articles and some of the specific points that are raised?

I seem to remember Steve Kim on occasion criticizing promoters who act as "booking agents", like Gary Shaw and I believe Dan Goossen, who take casino money and television money and do little to promote fighters as ticket sellers.

Have those not led to discussions?

So is the problem that boxing writers haven't talked about the problems in boxing, or that some people don't want to talk about them unless they can be used to bring up MMA?

 

I'd agree with you 100% if this thread was littered with MMA fans saying things like "Boxing is for fags" or "Boxers aren't real athletes." which is the type of shit that caused issues in the MMA section.

But I guarantee you if you posted a video of Bob Arum or Oscar talking about the current state of MMA in the MMA section you wouldn't have a handful of little girls crying about it.

Regardless, the way Godfather was shish kabobbed in this thread is ridiculous.

 

Funny considering the first person to interject MMA into this thread was Lb 4 Lb and not an MMA fan.

:doh:

 

Makes sense that you'd skip over everything else written in that post.

The thread was probably started as a trolling expedition, seemed obvious to me, which is why I didn't even post much in it except to talk specifically about fighter's purses, until it took on a life of it's own.

 

I compare this to say a LA Laker player comes out and slams the Celtic organization and talks about how it's garbage and this and that, and then qualifies that as "I grew up a Celtic fan"...

That doesn't matter anymore. Your credibility was lost when you put on the Laker uni. Not saying what you have to say is wrong or in the least bit incorrect, but the fact is you are already seen as biased seeing as the history between the Lakers and Celtics.

That's why as much as White claims he loves boxing, the fact that he has a vested interest in people watching MMA rather than Boxing eliminates any credibility he has.

He has an interest in portraying Boxing as dying and that it's fucked up and yet he talks up all the ways that MMA is better than Boxing in the same breath as he's tearing Boxing down.

If he didn't have an affiliation with Boxing or UFC/MMA/WHATEVER then yeah I could at least listen and take what he has to say seriously, but it's not what he's saying it's the motive behind it.

That's the exact reason I never got behind Floyd and his "Quest to clean up Boxing" with the PED tests.

He may have boxing's interests 100% at heart (which I would dispute based on his own words in the past) but the fact that he's doing this while trying to destroy another man's reputation leads me to suspect that it's not the fact that he wants to help boxing, but rather it's a means to an end, and that end is the destruction of Manny's reputation and legacy.

I firmly believe that blood testing WOULD be a benefit to the sport of Boxing, however I don't believe Floyd gives a shit about the sport.

People say who cares, and that it would help, and I agree, but I DO care because Floyd's coming off as someone who doesn't give a shit about boxing, only he's PRETENDING to in order to take out someone else's reputation.

It's all in the motives. Someone comes and offers you a job making hundreds of bucks an hour, and that sounds great, but you have in the back of your mind that this could be a setup for something else that you're not going to like or want.

You're not going to question that? That payday would help you get out of debt and better your immediate situation, who cares about the motives? Just do it, because that's in the best interest of your financial situation right now.

Just my thoughts on it though.

 

Was watching a Comcast replay of Jurgen Braehmer-Dmitry Sukhotsky (a pretty entertaining scrap, btw, Braehmer took a pounding in the tenth, and looked close to being stopped on his feet)....and just saw an ad for the Toney-Couture UFC match..."It's Boxing vs. THE UFC" the commercial says.

That it was shown during a boxing telecast, or put the fight in those terms, shouldn't come as any surprise.

Not that I'm all that interested in restarting this thread, just didn't think it was worth starting a new thread in the GD to post it.

 

Dana is a very nice guy, you folks that post here and have met him surely know that.

He has his own sport and I respect that, but his sport is not my sport, and he is entitled to his opinion, even though I do not necessarily agree with it.

Karl