David Haye: "Wladimir is a Coward, I'm Done With Him!"

It's just not the way things are done now mate. You know it as well as I do. Shite it might be but the facts they are also.

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I guess Haye is more concerned by the fact that he has to take on a noteworthy contender in the meantime, and that he may have a mandatory coming up- possibly Valuev, possibly in Germany.

I mean, surely Haye should be happy he can fight Wladimir with Wlad only having 9 weeks turnaround time???

Since when did Haye care about what condition Wladimir comes into the fight with? ::

Haye it seems is more concerned with public image and his continued WBA income than anything else.

 

Haye you complete puff

 

I concur...Fuck Haye

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What infuriates me about Haye is the way he stands in the corner, like an errant schoolboy, on his own, trying to look over his shoulder at the blackboard and telling everybody else that the blackboard is irrelevant and that he, Haye, the chastened one, is the true educator. Yet as soon as we turn to Haye for some guidance or inspiration, he goes all quiet and says he is going to retire.

Haye says Chisora is a nothing fight? Its a better fight than the Harrison fight. A much better fight.

Chisora probably has more than the ancient Barrett that had Haye on the mat.

 

Because Wlad is the reighning heavyweight champ, and Haye is some scrub shit talker and everyone knows the heayveight champ has to go and fight in the scrubs backyard or else he is scared, even if said scrub has pulled out of the fight 2 or 3 times already.

At this point I think the Klitchkos should do what Hatton did to Junior Shitter, and just let him beg until he finally has to fight someone for a paycheck and get beat up.

 

No wonder Haye is unhappy, he knows that he can't fob off the paying public after the recognised debacle of the harrison fight - that turned off a LOT of viewers and the media savaged him, particularly after he pretty much admitted that he had put money on himself to finish him off when he did. Left a bad taste.
If he picks another interim soft touch, the numbers won't be as good, which will weaken his bargaining position with the Klits.
If he picks a contender, he stands a good chance of losing, and missing out on his unification payday. Basically I can see him sitting fuming for the best part of 2011, and you can be sure the Klits and K2 know it.

 

Like I said- pretty smart guys who have carved a niche for themselves and are determined to protect it and get their dues.

Haye and Booth are to be commended in that they trust themselves and not much more, but they are tuppence ha'penny in the bargaining stakes, and that's got as much to do with their weak starting point as it does to do with them being thick fucks into the bargain.

 

I'd blame their decision to go ahead with the Harrison fight; it was such a poor showing, basically the two fingers to his following. I genuinely think the tide may have turned with that debacle.

 

That's some outside the box thinking........I never looked at it as you did above. Basically his next fight does shit numbers, he loses bargaining power, the only thing is that it supposes Haye wants to fight in the first place.

Listening to Vitali in this interview....it's like he feels he is being interviewed by a moron, and he basically says what I have believed for some time now- the fight will never happen.

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I agree entirely. That was a BIG fight here: Haye has been everywhere in the media for a year or so and had built himself a considerable fanbase off the back of his 'heavyweight champion of the world' bullshit and that was the first fight I can remember since Hatton-Mayweather here where pubs were actually advertising big screen showings of the fight- a couple of pubs near me had drinks promotions on and attracted a lot of 'non hardcore' punters.

Then Harrison turns out to be every bit as shit as we all knew and Haye comes out afterwards and makes an absolute mug out of everyone who bought the fight with his 'I bet on the 3rd round' and 'of course I only took this fight for the money' bullshit...:shit:

There are people I know, lots of people, who have a medium-to-low interest in boxing but who bought into the media frenzy and who paid for the fight but were disgusted (I did warn them all, mind). These same people are now saying to me that the only fight they will ever pay to see Haye in again is a Klitschko fight.

Witness Haye's hilarious showing at BBC Sports Personality (didn't show up, finished last). His popularity has probably peaked here-people took one look at the Harrison shambles and another at the Khan fight a week or so later and quickly worked out who was doing the business and who was concerned only with business. A Haye fight with A.N Other early this year will do, at best, HALF the numbers the Harrison fight did. Of that I'm certain.

He must know this and Booth must know this- for all their faults neither bloke has poor business savvy, and Haye is rapidly losing bargaining chips and credibility even among non-boxing fans. All this business about corners and ring entrances and the like is absolute bollocks and it is fooling absolutely no-one.

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What is Wlad's take on this then? I haven't seen his side of the story published.

 

The thing of it is that if Haye was as game and as desperate for this to happen, the rubbish about the ring and the promotions etc would never have come up for discussion. They would have simply asked K2 to fill in the blanks, sign, and send it back to them for their signature.

I fully understand that boxers, all boxers, have the right to carve an existence for themselves in what is essentially a meat industry. If Haye contented himself with being a local hero and made his money nobody would have any beefs. In fact I might enjoy tuning in.

However, he has gone down this path of severed heads on t-shirts, talk of gang rapes, accosting people in shopping malls, exposed himself to police questioning over betting practices, etc, and by and large made a nuisance of himself whilst refusing to deliver on the end product.

No featherweight struts into the lightweight division and calls everyone out and derides them as being shit and demands respect as the "former featherweight champion". It doesn't happen. Like Hamed, Haye has chosen to flit around dropping all sorts of names, and, like Hamed, he will eventually lose to a guy who is much more on his own level than the level of those he has been threatening to beat.

Haye is a good example of so much that is wrong with modern society, where the perception of reality is as valued as reality itself. Dramatized nonsense complete with po-faced, slack jawed morons who sit there, self-cocooned, agog at this "talent", this "charisma", this "entertainer", whilst completely unaware of the existence, much less the actual substance, of the real thing.

Just as a busker with a 12v amplifier and a guitar probably has more talent than most of the morons on X-Factor, but doesn't get credit for it, thus it goes with Haye. It's all flash-harry nonsense. This is not a knock on Haye alone- Mayweather has perfected the art of building a reputation and then jealously guarding it by way of deception and illusion. Leona Lewis couldn't carry Diana Ross makeup box, but there you have it. She is a superstar, and the kids who listen to her music think Diana Ross must be related to Jonathan.

 

What could he possibly say? It will be reported as the truth in Germany and the rest of the mainland continent, it will be derided as lies in England.

Vitali already said it best. "...Let's fight. Champion against Champion. Who is the best one??"

Once that doesn't happen, he is as well off fighting his own fights. Right now, Wlad is just getting ready for Chisora.

 

Haye hasn't mentioned Vitalis name once. Big bro would fuck him up

 

Thats what I have noticed. Haye wants Vitali to hit 41, 42, before he fights him. But of course by then David will be retired and making movies in San Fernando valley.:boring:

Vitali is ready to fight tomorrow.

 

Chisora even said himself that Haye needs to shut the fuck up and take on Vitali, make it a massive double header, but no. Haye is a fucking cunt, and the thing that annoys me is a LARGE percentage of the British public is unfortunately going to buy this shut because of the way Sky are spinning it.

 

Even if Haye was interested in that fight (which I don't think he is), Vitali has a mandatory against Odlanier Solis that's about to go to purse bid.

 

You see, that's just it.

Haye should contact Solis and take him on instead of Vitali......Haye's people could spin it as Amateur revenge, same as Khan's did, except this time it is in the pros. Be like that movie the GWH.

But no.

Instead Vitali will fight Solis. athetic:

 

Hey Irish, wouldn't it be funny if Solis beat Vitali?

 

Yep.

In truth, either bro would fuck him up bad. He'd have somewhat of a chance against Wlad but he's too scared to even fight him.

He wants nothing with Vitali thats for sure.

 

I think he has a much better shot against Vitali personally. Vitali doesn't have enough power to worry Haye, and he's so slow that Haye would make him look like a statue.

Wlad on the other hand is probably the most offensively gifted HW there is. He might be chinny, but he's not going to make it easy for Haye to hit him, and Haye'll have to worry about Wlad's power in the process of trying.

 

Vitali doesn't have enough power to worry Haye? ::

 

In a wry sort of a way, yes.

It would also make the point in a flash- Haye would not then hesitate to contact Solis and see if a fight could be made.

Needless to say, the sub-text would follow the one I already laid out.

Of course, we don't know what terms The Big V would have in his contract with the Even Bigger O.....

 

Lewis stopped Briggs years ago.

Vitali struggled to a decision

post hoc ergo propter hoc, Vitali has not enough power to bother Haye.

This is what is known as a causal fallacy, or a false cause, or a correlation exit causation.

In boxing however, it is known simply as Excretus Taurus Maximus

 

:giggle:

What's he smoking?

 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00d4dv3

The above is a link that can only be listened to by those of you in BRITAIN

Its funny- the fact that only people in Britain can get to hear what Haye is saying is telling in and of itself.

Fucking local nonsense.

Would appreciate it if the British crew dedicated 27 mins of their life to listening to this crap and telling us if there are any more holes in Hayes story.

 

Vitali primarily stops opponents by accumulation. Wlad has legit one-punch power. It's not even remotely likely Vitali will stop Haye with one shot, and when you factor in that Vitali is unlikely to land more than one punch at a time or accumulate a lot of punches on Haye, it's not remotely likely he'll stop him at all. If you feel otherwise, I would be happy to take your money in a bet.

Yes, that's the only possible reason I could think that Wlad has more power and punches better/harder than Vitali, or that Vitali doesn't have one-punch KO ability.