Davis out. Machida-Evans II slated for 133.

Yep...basically Dana just came out and said Tito's job is no longer on the line. He's basically going to get the Couture/Hughes treatment for the rest of his career for this.

 

What exactly is so special about Ryan Bader? Why is everybody going apesh*t over this win? :dunno: He's mediocre! Ortiz took out Jon Jones' scraps. That's about it.

 

The fact that UFC 132 failed miserably on PPV indicates Tito Ortiz has no drawing power left. He was lucky to get 450K for the Bader fight. He won't be making 800K, no way in hell will he make that. I give him a chance to beat Evans if they fight even though Evans is a superior wrestler and fighter overall who at least has beaten some decent competition in the past year. Ortiz had basically beaten nobody other than Shamrock since 2006. People are just shocked that he finally after 5 years got a win over Jon Jones' scraps.

 

not a fan of either guy, but i would love to see tito win. evans is coming off a layoff that could affect him.

 

Must eat away at Liddell hard that Dana won't ever allow him to fight again in the octagon while Tito gets to run his mouth, dig graves in the octagon and continue competing for 450-500k cheques. ::

 

Evans shouldn't be losing to Tito based on the comparison of their skill level. Ortiz is inferior in every way including wrestling, striking and power. Evans has beaten much better comp and been far more active over the years. I hope this one is a 5 rounder this time.

 

LOL... You do realize that Tito actually beat Evans before but got penalized a point for grabbing the fence and it ended up being a draw. Right?

You also said Evans has beaten some decent competition in the past year. Nope. Evans hasn't even fought in more than a year. In that same span Ortiz fought twice.

And 132 failed (350,000 or so buys) because the main event (Fitch-Penn II) was scraped and Faber-Cruz ended up headlining. The Tito-Bader bout wasn't supposed to carry the PPV. It wasn't even the co main event (Silva-Leben).

Damn, I remember when your trolling was at least somewhat factual....:giggle:

 

Here comes the Huntington Beach Bad Boy

 

MMA just isn't as popular as it used to be. 132 did okay numbers given the year.

 

Evans beating Rampage > anything Ortiz has done in 5 years.:rock: I know Ortiz/Evans was a draw. Ortiz lost a point because he was f*cking cheating! The fact that he was cheating was how he avoided getting f*cked up by Evans. Because he grabbed the fence to avoid getting slammed down on his skull and that alone allowed Ortiz the ability to change the dynamic of the fight. If he didn't grab the fence and cheat, it could've been Evans' win. And if you noticed the end of that fight, Evans picked Ortiz up and slammed him down on his back and Ortiz was basically almost out of it. The bell rang and the fight ended when Evans had all the momentum and basically had Ortiz where he wanted him. The fight being 3 rounds is what saved Ortiz.
Simply put, Ortiz looked like sh*t in that fight and wasn't legitimately the victor by any means.
Ortiz/Bader wasn't supposed to carry the event but Ortiz was on the card was he not? :: Wasn't it Dana White who said the quality of an event is decided by the ENTIRE card and not just a main event which is what makes UFC superior to Boxing? :laugh11:
I guess those fan boys were expecting another Tito loss.

 

Hanz is pretty much on the nail though. This card will probably do even less than 132(maybe 300k...132 did 375k).

Evans will also beat Tito pretty easily but this won't be a 5 rounder.

 

300,000 or just over is a sh*t number for a UFC ppv in this day in age. It's again proving that it's not about evenly matched fights. It's about superstars! It's only about the stars. People pay to see the stars, not to see 6-7 fights between mid-card level fighters with no star power.

 

There are too many ppv events. The UFC is overexposed.

 

There are too many PPVs yes. But not too many events.

The problem is they barely run any shit for free.

If a card isn't trending 400k or higher buys...just don't make it a PPV. I don't get it.

Make the PPVs once every 3 months or so. Not every month and sometimes twice a month.

 

People have gotten tired of putting in their money every couple of weeks, especially when some of the last events recently have been terrible. GSP-Shields was a card they got the primetime and the big marketing machine behind, everyone in Canada bought it, a lot of US guys bought it...and it was one of the worst Main events in a long time. Stuff like that is a setback when you are relying on brand power and not star power.

 

UFC 131 Dos Santos/Carwin did 325K buys.
UFC 130 Rampage/Hamill did little over 300K buys.

Basically any UFC ppv which didn't feature GSP or Anderson Silva did in the range of 250K-400K buys. Sports is driven by stars and hype.

 

Both of the cards were bound to be crap because of injuries though. The UFC also didn't have a lot of time to market either event.

 

Yup, and that was the most purchased UFC ppv so far this year. Since then, UFC has done not even half as well as that ppv in the ppv market. Brock Lesnar's return will garner some fairly big numbers as will any GSP or Anderson ppv as long as they continue to dominate. Dos Santos isn't a draw, nor is Carwin. Ortiz's true ppv value will be tested shortly as his face is basically decorating the posters of the next ppv. Will be interesting to see if he can still draw like he did at UFC 66.

 

I think injuries or not, people will pay to see GSP and Anderson because they're dominant champions. Not sure if people will care to pay to see anybody else. Although I think Jon Jones is the next great attraction. Not sure how well he'll do or if he'll even be a dominant champ but should be interesting.

 

UFC is probably going to start the Jon Jones mega hype train soon. Dude's already been on talk shows and commercials and stuff. That's why I think they held off on the Rashad fight. They know Rampage is a draw and is good for at least 500k with a name opponent that's not Matt Hammill. So if they can get over 500k they can get a lot of hype for the rivalry between Rashad and Jones and maybe do a million again. Although Rashad fighting safety first the last time they did that will probably put off a bunch of people. Hard to fool some people twice.

 

Cain's going to do great numbers too in the future. No one is going to beat this guy, and the Latino community will be behind him.

Plus he's a crowd friendly fighter and has the benefit of having tons of people see him thrash Brock Lesnar.

 

I'll never say something like this. Not anymore. ::

 

I hope Ortiz gets stomped again. He's a major excuse-maker.

 

Well this one wasn't signed as a 5 rounder.

Plus Dana lies for some reason. Ellenberger-Fitch isn't 5 rounds although it was signed after the announcement...so whatever.

 

Shields....

And I agree, this could have and should have been a 5 rounder.

 

i prefer that to be a 3 rounder. it's going to be boring.

 

Lesnar is the biggest draw in the UFC. He draws more than GSP and Anderson.

 

looks like machida priced himself out and also put his career in jeopardy but fucking w/ white.

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