De La Hoya-Chavez Jr. 'is in the works'?

Sad, pathetic, reciculous.

 

seems like Chavez Jr. would dwarf ODH. Not sure. But I know he's at least as tall, if not taller, and at this point probably hits harder.

Chavez Jr. has talent he just lacks experience. That's probably what ODH will try to capitalize on. He was made to look silly by Pacquiao. His intention will probably be to make Jr. look silly.

It won't be redemption. But it might cloud some people's memory of his pathetic loss to Pacquiao, and the fact that he quit like a dog.

I still urge people to watch that fight with the sound off. Mainly for Pacquiao's sake. He took some hard punches and wasn't discouraged one bit. The commentators were so focused on Pacquiao and the shots he was landing, they barely mentioned any of the work ODH did.

I think it's fair to say that the age factor and weight drain affected ODH's performance - his ability to keep on keeping on - but putting too much emphasis on that I think is being unfair to Pacquiao. Not only did Pacquiao prove that he can carry his power all the way up to 147 (although it's probably not as devastating there as it is at 135), but he also showed amazing durability. He didn't fight ODH like he was the big bad wolf. It wasn't RJJ against John Ruiz. Or PBF against ODH. Pacquiao fought him with aggression and ferocity. I think he deserves tremendous credit for the performance he put on. And I think it's a shame so much of the aftermath is focused on ODH and how badly he looked. I'm telling you - watch the fight without the sound on. He didn't look that bad. He just couldn't deal with Pacquiao's speed, and was a sucker for Manny's left AND right hand. In fact, I think it was the left side of ODH's face that was more swollen than the right.

 

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why is that funny? Jr. has been fighting at 160 (albeit against blown up welterweights). And if I'm not mistaken, he's at least 6' tall, is he not?

why is that statement funny? if you're under the impression that i'm trying to claim that Jr. is somehow a legitimate challenge, or that he represents a real danger to ODH, then you're wrong. i'm simply commenting on the relative sizes of the fighters. but i'm glad you're so easily amused. makes me wonder how bright you could possibly be for you to have laughed at that. anyways. you've never been much for insight or observation in any case, so i shouldn't be surprised. your typical response is an emoticon that doesn't quite fit the context of the discussion. you remind me of the weatherman in Will Ferrell's movie, The Anchorman. And no, that's not a complement.

 

I'm laughing because I wasn't aware that a POSSIBLE 1 inch height advantage would constitute the term "dwarfing". Then you go on to say that Chavez Jr. has been fighting blown up welterweights at 160. What the hell has DLH been doing for the previous two years. This year he stepped it up and fought a BLOWN UP LIGHTWEIGHT.

 

you seem to read my every post as if it's an attempt to apologize for ODH. and that's why your responses rarely make sense to me. you have it in your head that i'm some huge ODH fan and that every remark i make is to prop him up. guess what. you're wrong. and it's why you come off as combative and frankly, stupid.

i've long shedded my admiration for ODH. i still enjoy watching him fight. but since the birth of his promotional company, and the gamesmanship he's shown at the negotiating table, he's long lost his luster as a fighter in my eyes.

in fact, i don't rule out that every fight he's in is some sort of exercise in recruitment. have you noticed how many of his opponents have ended up promoted by him?

and what was with his performance against PBF? if you ask me, he let PBF win. don't ask me to explain why. but round after round of hitting PBF in the gloves, and not throwing his jab when it was clearly bothering PBF had me puzzled. Not to mention, the lack of passion he showed in that fight. i guess time will tell.

and his talks of fighting Hatton, when Margarito is standing right next to him?

and his interviews are embarrassing. it's just one cliche after another with him. and it's all B.S.

and yet, every response you bother to make to one of my posts has as its starting point the premise that he's my favorite fighter and that i'll twist the truth any way i can to make him look better?

i have my favorites in this game. and maybe i can be biased when it comes to them. who isn't? but ODH is no longer one of them.

By the way, since when is height the one and only determining factor of a fighter's size? Ever hear of Dwight Muhamed Qawi? Or Caballero? Or Diego Corrales? But that's all beside the point.

 

You do realize that this thread is about Chavez Jr. AND DLH right??? That's why I brought him up. It doesn't help that you look through rose colored glasses at RJJ's resume in every other thread either.

 

i promise you i don't look at RJJ's resume through rose colored glasses. :: some might accuse me of the opposite. in any case, i'll admit it right here: i hate the way RJJ has conducted his career, i hate his cowardly style of fighting, and i hate his wussy selection of opponents.

at 175, he fought Richard Hall on a stage! do you know why it occurred to him to stage the fight on a stage? because he thought he was a magician - a harlem globe-trotter, putting on some sort of show against some guy who can't fight and was hired as a prop and probably grossly under-paid.

and somehow, there were members of this board, who considered this "real" fighting? you want to talk about a farce (ODH/Pacquiao supposedly), take a look at RJJ's reign at 175 where in a division as shallow as it was, he wouldn't even fight the top guy. Or rematch the best middle-weight at the time. Or fight the Olympic champion just 15 pounds north. No. He preferred to fight scrub after scrub literally mystifying the crowd with what was thought to be boxing mastery but what was actually just a roided up ego maniac pot-shotting inexperienced and intimidated opponents, chosen not only for their incompetence but also for their willingness to fight for peanuts.

 

I used the wrong term but you know what I meant.

 

I'll be more than willing to fight DLH at 147 or 154 (hell, I don't need to train to make those weights :crying:) for the payday, and it would have just as much meaning for his career.

 

I don't think a fight with you would draw 100,000 Mexican fans though.

 

Not even with a sombrero? It worked for Toney, Mayweather, and Hatton, right?:dunno:


no, it didn't

 

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