Definitive Career Enders not Involving Death or Permanent Injury...

Fighters always say "this will be my last fight".

It rarely ever is.

To say someone who won the 4 major belts at a weight class, whom was the most achieved featherweight of the 1990s, as the recognized top guy at 126 was not "world class" is ridiculous.

 

You need to study the overall.

He was a very carefully managed and promoted fighter. How many fresh, 100% fit genuine World Class featherweights did the guy fight?

Fuck, even Barrera was a 122lbr. And he lost to him.

He never fought Morales, JMM, Pac Man, Tapia, even little Paulie Ayala. He talked bollox about Mayweather when Mayweather was 4lbs north of Hamed at 130. Never happened, of course. He went life and death with Paul Ingle, who was fringe world class, and Ingle was eventually dispatched by Mbuelo Botile, a former Timmy Austin victim.:doh:

 

Pacquiao didn't make his mark @ 126 until 2003, hell, he didn't win a title @ 122 until after Barrera beat Hamed. Hamed avoided Marquez, then offered Marquez a fight after Marquez had lost to Gainer. Good ole' Nacho turned down the fight. Almost all of Tapia's meaningful bouts when Hamed was champ were @ 118.

You couldn't find too many people around 2000-01 that hated Hamed more than I did. But to claim he wasn't a world class fighter is insane. If you're one of the best in your weight class, you're world-class.

He dominated Tom Johnson who was a long reigning champion, who had made what, 12 straight title defenses? He was a bit old, but still a top guy at 126 in 1997. He dominated Steve Robinson when Robinson was on a hot streak and the WBO champ. He beat Manuel Medina who was either a contender or titlist for what seemed like forever. He beat Cesar Soto and Wilfredo Vasquez when they were champs (barring strip jobs shortly before the fight).

Just because Hamed wasn't on the level of guys like Pacquiao and Barrera, or wasn't reckless when choosing opposition (or let's face it, avoided a guy or two), it doesn't mean he wasn't still a very good fighter. How many guys @ 126 achieved more in the 90s than Hamed?

 

I disagree.

 

But he did the same thing as Hamed did at first which was to fight one bum after losing to Hopkins and retiring. So what if he came back and got his ass kicked a couple more times. (and one more to come)


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besides marquez, who did hamed duck exactly? istvan kovacs?

 

yes. :bears:

 

Tyson-Holyfield II

 

:laughing::: Istvan Kovacs... Europeans were hyping him as Hamed's worst nightmare until he got sent into retirement by Juan Pablo Chacon, I think he fits in the thread too BTW.

 

Robinson lost like, 4000 fights.

And what Barrera, pac, JMM and Morales did between them thoroughly eclipsed Hameds work.

 

House of straws. Barrera and Morales weren't that good above 122. Both were inconsistent at 126.

 

The whole reason why the Hamed camp picked to fight Barrera and not Morales from their first fight was cos in their own lying words, "we felt he (Barrera) won the fight against Morales".
That's why they went after MAB - they thought'd be an easy touch - KO in 5 rounds or so.
Hah-fucking-hah.

IMO, if they had gone for Morales, it would've been a nasty brutal beating for Hamed...


And I don't know what TKO is going on about cos a massive % on the SecondsOut.com Forum (i.e. where everyone here came from) picked Hamed to win as well...led by the hilarous 'Hamed-Scrotum-HangerOn', Simes. ::

 

Why is Hamed being talked about in this thread. He made career ending choices. He wasn't in a CAREER ENDING FIGHT, which is what the thread is suppposed to be about.:doh:

 

This much may be true enough, and whilst it is clear that his ignoble exit from boxing has tarnished his legacy, there are a lot of people with selective memories when it comes to Hamed.

The Ingle fight, for example, was hardly 'life or death'. I distinctly remember that fight, because I told a bunch of folk that Ingle was good odds to beat Hamed, and that they should perhaps have a small flutter.

In the end, I'm not sure Paul won more than a couple of rounds before he got KTFO. :doh:

Also, I seem to recall a lot of people thinking the Kelly fight was going to be tough (and it was). Robinson was a pretty credible champ to displace etc...

Hamed just talked A LOT of shit, so when he got a hiding, the latent hate many had for him could come out at last and in full. I mean, even the MAB fight wasn't as BAD as some now try to make it sound. Listening to some, you'd think Hamed lost every minute of the fight. He didn't. He lost clearly, but he didn't lose as badly as, say, Lacy against Calzaghe, who (Lacy, clearly) BTW is a perfect example of the kind of fighter belonging in this thread.

MTF

 

Because this was a thinly veiled Hamed topic?

A better example would have been Bowe-Golota II.

 

This is pretty much undeniable. What the fuck were they thinking??? :eeeek:

 

joe lipsey.

 

First fight what?

Hamed's first fight against a future HOFer?

 

Yeah, Naz's first test against a great fighter.

That has little to do with your previous claim of Naz not being world class and him never recovering from the first L, which is what I'm saying.

Naz beat all 4 beltholders at 126 and was probably the most achieved featherweight of the 1990s.

If that is not "world-class", then you have an extremely high standard for someone being a world-class fighter.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9JETH2YNfU

 

Easy one is Jeff Lacy-Joe Calzaghe!!

Even though Jeff hasn't lost a fight since,he BARELY wins them:warning:

 

What does that have to do with him not being a world-class fighter?

Because a guy gets schooled by a great fighter like Barrera, it means he was never any good in the first place?

Like I said, people must have very high standards to be a world-class fighter if a fighter who's arguably the most achieved featherweight of the 90s was not "world-class".

 

I just watched highlights of Naz. Clips that were supposed to prop him up.
To me he looked exactly the same in the Barrera fight except in his highlights , he was fighting tomato cans ..

 

No but , it would be nice if he had a credible win or atleast in a losing effort fought on almost equal terms with an A-class fighter ...