Deontay Wilder AND Anntony Joshua Would've KO'ed Tyson Fury Today....

Wlad is a control freak. When he isn't getting things his own way he seems to freeze up. Joshua WOULD land, and he seems to hit much harder than Fury. I could definitely see him stopping Klitschko. Again, this is all dependent on whether AJ has a chin. I'm not ready to call him the heir apparent yet, but the strength of his whiskers are the only thing that stands in the way.

 

Huh???...

Wlad was CLEARLY Taken Aback by the LENGTH and ATHLETICISM of Fury, Something Joshua and Wilder have in SPADES, by Comparison...If Wlad was UNNERVED & PASSIVE After the FEW Times Fury Touched Him Up, What is there to Suggest he WOULDN'T React Similarly to the More AGGRESSIVE Approaches of a Joshua or Wilder???...

Spinks-Shavers AREN'T Even Remotely Analogous, Whereas Joshua-Wilder-Fury CLEARLY Are...




REED

 

Klitschko was so "Unnerved" he kept coming forward. On the balls of his feet all night.

I think people are so stuck in the "he's scared" mantra, they can't apply the new facts to the new "loss".

 

Wlad was scared. I disagree with REED in regards to it being the size of Fury that scared him, rather it was Fury's pre-fight antics and in ring feints and grins and shit that intimidated him. Wlad obviously doesn't believe in his own chin. Wlad may have been coming forward, but he was "bluffing"...because he was scared to throw power punches.

Wlad fought like a cowardly cunt.

 

Sly...he always has.
That's why the only guy with any pop in the last 5 years, was as you said, Samuel Peter.
Every other guy he's fought has had average power and yet he still fights like a cautious, jittery twat.

 

I mean...what's the point in looking like this:



When you're going to fight like this:

 

Exactly!

 

I am not sure if it was that Wlad was scared or just that his body couldn't react anymore the way it has (on other words, he has just become old). Larry Holmes wasn't scared of Michael Spinks either, or Tyson against Douglas, they just seemed passive because they couldn't get their boxing going.

It is POSSIBLE that Wlad just was nervous against a bigger guy. I just think people tend to watch boxing as too much of a mental game, when in reality it is much more than that. I guess boxing LOOKS so easy that when a fighter can't land shots, it is easy to think that he just doesn't have the guts to do so.

And yes, Wlad remained passive all fight, but you have to remember that Fury didn't exactly open up either. Had it been more aggressive Wilder in there, perhaps he would have just walked over Wlad, or perhaps Wlad would have crumbled him wit a counter shot, something Fury never walked into.

It doesn't work as easy as: John Ruiz was reluctant to attack and wrestle Jones, thus he is not going to wrestle with any heavyweight who punches harder than Jones.

 

BOSS went "haha"

 

Prior to Round 5 - "You Gotta Go Take Him Now...Your Hands are In the Right Position, You Have To Believe, When Your Hands Are HERE, They're In the Right Position...That's Why You Gotta Start Stepping Forward on this Dude, Cause He's Trying to Steal the Rounds, He's Trying to Dance...No Matter What he Said, He's Trying to Dance To a Decision, That's What he's Trying to Do...But We're Not Gon' Let Him...You Gotta Start Landing These Power Shots...There's No Time to Take Breaks, We're Playing from Behind Now...You Have to Stay On Him"

Prior to Round 9 - "You Have to Stay On This Guy"

Prior Round 10 - "This is Your Fight...If You Want It, You Gotta Go Take It"

Prior to Round 11 - "You Gotta Dig Down...Whatever You Got, You Gotta Dig Down...You Gotta Go Get This Motherfucker, Man...You Gotta Turn this Boxing Match Into a Fight...You Have to Go Get Him...You're Better than Him...Stay Low and Fight this Motherfucker"

Prior to Round 12 - "The Only Way You're Gonna Beat Him is if You Knock him Out...You Fight Better than Him...He Don't Fight, He's Trying to Dance Around...Go Get Your Championship"


Bear in Mind, there was MORE than just Motivational Speak from Banks...He CONSTANTLY Reminded Wlad to DOUBLE His Jab, Jab to the BODY and to Stay LOW...Banks Said WHAT Needed to Be Said, WHEN It Needed to Be Said...His Sense of Urgency COULDN'T Have Been MORE Timely...Damn Shame Wlad's WASN'T...





REED

 

Wlad DIDN'T Even Trust his Fucking JAB, Which REED Would Argue is a Good as ANY in Boxing, Regardless of Weight Class...

But Alas, What Do you Call a Schoolgirl w/a Ramrod Jab???...A Schoolgirl...





REED

 

word.

 

Wlad has what REED Calls "SHOW" Muscles, Meaning they're Nice for SHOWCASING Purposes, but USELESS If/When the Need Arises to Apply them in a PHYSICAL Sense...





REED

 

Nice assassination job on the character of a guy who has gotten off the mat to win before. "Show muscles"...............quite.

I think an attempt is being made here to purge the shortcomings of Roy Jones more than anything else.

 

Wlad and Roy both dominated weak divisions. Both lost at the tail end of their careers. Fatso reed gives one all the praise and the other all the hate. Why? It's not easy to figure out. The reasoning behind it is surely complex. It's not just black and white. Or is it? BOSS knows what's up.

 

I do get the feeling that Reed is trying to parlay this "loss" into something more than it is in fact.

Roy Jones went out on a limb in 2004 when he said that WK could not fight from the "downside".

Then Roy went to sleep vs Tarver.

I think Reed has been waiting ever since.

 

Dude, You Can Take ALL the Shots @ Roy You Wish...Is Attacking REED's Favorite Fighter Supposed to Make Wlad's "Performance" Yesterday the LEAST Bit Better???...Is it Supposed to Shed Wlad in a More FAVORABLE Light, Somehow???::...

It WON'T Absolve How MEEKLY Wlad ALLOWED his Heavyweight Title to Slip Away, Homey...& DEFLECTING the Subject @ Hand to Roy Jones WON'T Make Last Night Go Away, No Matter How HARD You Try...1 Guy was a 1nce in a Lifetime Talent that Fans STILL Marvel @ On YouTube, to this Very Day...YOUR Guy is 1 that will QUICKLY Be Forgotten, Ruler of the Forgotten Era of Heavyweights...

But by ALL Means, if it LESSENS the Hurt You Feel, Fire Away @ Roy...Enjoy!!!...




REED~

 

Speaking of "SHOW" Muscles, Why Do you Have the Silhouette of ANOTHER Man, In your Sig...





REED~

 

Eh, no, you can stop that, I never once took a shot at Roy, merely I alluded to how what you are saying appears strongly to be an attempt to erase the stench of what happened to Roy who waded into Wlad for his own reasons and with no cause to do so.

Klitschko is being accused of "allowing his title to slip away" ...........and we are expected to believe he was more afraid last night of a guy who wouldn't come forward than he was against guys like Brewster or Peter who came forward incessantly.......back when WK was a more suspect fighter.

It doesn't tally, and it reeks of somebody trying to settle a score.

We have REMARKABLY gone from a state of affairs to "Wlad is afraid of guys who come after him" to "Wlad is afraid of guys who run away from him" to "Wlad is afraid of everyone, all the time, no matter where they are or what they are doing".

It's an attempt to shoehorn the facts to a narrative and it doesn't fit....it can't be both ways all at once.

 

As Usual, You Think WRONG...

If that WERE the Case, REED Would have Joined In the "Wald Pussy" Reindeer Games, Which he DIDN'T...

Everything ISN'T as Linear as You Like to Portray it, Bro...So BECAUSE REED is Criticizing Wlad, it HAS to Be Because Tarver KO'ed Roy, Shortly After Roy DISSED Wlad???...THE FUCK Kind of Sense Does that Make???:scratcher:...Moreover, Just Because REED HASN'T Been Terribly Vocal about Wlad Previously (Positively OR Negatively), Does that ELIMINATE REED's Typewritten "Voice" when Speaking on a Fight he Watched Every Single Second Of???...

You're REACHING, Irish...@ NATHAN...





REED

 

Until the Very LAST Round, Wlad Showed NO Inclination to Actually KEEP the Heavyweight Championship of the World...Despite the Persistent Urges of his Corner...

That's Really the Looooooooooooooooooooooooong and Short of It...






REED

 

The simplest way to put this in perspective is as follows: why does a man who has everything take a fight against a guy he is "afraid" of :dunno:

 

And the other guy showed no inclination to take it off him. I would say those are related concerns.

As soon as Fury was forced to stand and trade a bit I think he started coming off a decidedly second-best.

 

Being 100% HONEST, REED Respects Your Die-Hard Position, in Regards to Wlad...But Having Said that, Dude DOESN'T Deserve Your Fandom...

If You WEREN'T Pissed Off, Screaming @ the T.V./Laptop, PLEADING w/Wlad to Do MORE, During Last Night's Bout, You Simply LACK a Pulse...REED is INDIFFERENT about the Cat, Yet Wanted/Expected MORE...





REED

 

Sorry REED, but I can only guess that this was an emotional post.

Because it's clearly flawed on so many levels.

 

I must say I too was looking forward to what you had to say, but watching the fight, especially after the point came off, and after that 12th round, {which British TV scored for Fury} I was quite sure Wlad had it. Fury had made him look bad, but that's not how you win fights.

It's like Marvin Hagler said of Ray Leonard "That man never BEAT me".

I was quite happy by the 12th. It wasn;t like Ricky Hatton vs Collazo where I was thinking "Oh fuck....Hatton might have won this, but..........."

 

ELABORATE, Por Favor???...




REED

 

I used to think I had all this Klit hate, but now it's hit me that I just hate Wald.

Vitali was a quality fighter. He could take a punch, and wasn't scared to go to war.

Wald is a front-running, fragile bitch and there's no heavyweight great who he beats.

 

Its as if last night, which bears NO RESEMBLANCE to any of his previous wins or losses, undermines his wins and validates all his losses.

Remarkable, magical thinking. Its like something you would see on Jerry Springer.

 

1 - Why? Just cos they can punch hard?

2 - Fury won before the damn fight started

3 - Afraid because Fury's style completely and utterly nullified whatever game Wlad had

4 - Disgraceful? Why?
He got out-psyched and out-boxed by someone with very similar attributes


Boxing: it isn't a 'Sweet Science' - that's just something old-timers like to fly around.
It's just two guys fighting....and you're over-analyzing it, guy.