Did Floyd look too good in terms of PBF-Pac?

REED was Equally DISAPPOINTED w/Floyd's Performance, but Pac's Ferocity & Aggression would B his UNDOING...In 24 Rounds, Pac Successfully IMPOSED Himself on Marquez in about 2 Rounds...Marquez's CRAFT, SKILL & COUNTERPUNCHING was a Puzzle that Pac NEVER Quite Solved....

As BORING as he Was, Floyd's BETTER than Marquez is Practically EVERY Regard & He'd Have Even MORE of Size Advantage Over Pac than he Did Over Marquez...Pac Would Either B TAMED by Floyd (as he Was to a Degree in the Marquez Bouts) or Eventually STOPPED for his Bravery...


REED:hammert:

 

Umm... ever heard of a guy named Leonard?

 

Yes he should have. After the second round KD... I was almost POSITIVE that he was gonna put Marquez away within 5.

 

I'm actually not sure Floyd is the counter puncher that Marquez is. I don't know if it was just rust but I saw a few instances where Floyd missed some wide open counter oppurtunities on JMM. I felt Floyd beat JMM more because Juan let Floyd fight at the pace Floyd wanted by being to patient and waiting for counter opportunities. So Floyd just sat back and used his speed to pot shot JMM and then slip the counter. That's an easy game plan for a guy with Floyd's reflexes, especially when you consider how slow Juan was. The pace Juan allowed was so fucking slow that I'm seriously interested to see how Floyd will react to Manny's tireless pace and much faster punches.

 

I wasn't. Based on Juan's history I had a feeling he'd hit the canvas at least once during that fight and like I figured it wouldn't mean much.

I was praying Floyd wouldn't get the KO up until the final bell. Last thing I need to hear out of his mouth is him bragging about stopping the guy Manny couldn't.

 

floyd stops manny imo

 

Agreed! No doubt about it. PBF is just too good!

 

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Totally Agree! After this performance aint no way Pac would fight PBF unless they try to make him go all the way down to 140.

 

Weren't you like one of Floyd's biggest detractors just last week? Now you sound like RJJP4p#1's lacky and shit.

I'd already gathered you didn't know much about boxing from your posts but now I'm really sure of it because you're really taking a lot from a win over a guy who was tailor made for Floyd's style, slow as molasses, naturally smaller, and fighting at a new weight for the first time in his career.

Now all of a sudden Floyd is unbeatable.

 

I agree with Brother REED.. Pac's aggressiveness would make it worse for him than it was for Marquez

 

It would if Pac was as slow as JMM but how will Pac's aggressiveness and his speed effect Floyd? If anything I see Pac winning at least some rds until Floyd adjusts and takes over.

Remember Judah's hand speed gave Floyd a bit of trouble early as he was the first to (unofficially) drop Floyd.

 

Bullfuckingbullshit. He shut out the man who has won more rounds than Manny in their fights. The best he could do? People forget that JMM is an all time great. Yeah, Floyd was the favorite and expected to win... Great bigger man beats great smaller man, but that's part of what makes a fighter great. Handling his bussiness, beating bigger man but also dominating when a smaller threat makes a challenge.

Oh yeah, Floyd also showed he was a better counterpuncher and a better boxer. He was just much better than JMM, doing it after a 21 month lay off, not bad at all.

Let's see Floyd vs the winner of Pacquiao-Cotto, fight of the century.

 

I hate PBF. I think he's a ignorant asshole but 1 think I cant take away from him is he's a bad mother fucker. He's just too good. I thought JMM had a chance but PBF totally outclassed a GREAT fighter with ease. I was very impressed on how he did it. No one can fuck with Floyd at this point. Only way I see PBF losing is with a lucky shot. Skill wise he's LEVELS above anyone else.

 

See that's my point. You aren't taking any variables into account. Like the fact that JMM was slow as molasses which plays right into the hands of Floyds faster reflexes. Do you honestly think he'd slip Manny's punches that easily? Because I don't. I also don't see Manny just letting Floyd sit back and only fighting when Floyd feels like it the way JMM did.

To be honest the only thing Floyd did last night that impressed me was his ability to not get hit. I'm not talking about his slipping and ducking but when he stood right in front of JMM and closed his chin up around his shoulders JMM couldn't figure out how to hit him. Everything else he was expected to do.

 

that's the thing though.. I could see Pac doing ok for 2 rounds or so but Floyd adapts very well and would figure him out quickly and take over

 

i've learned not to predict fights based on one fighter beating an opponent much easier then the other opponent

the thing is that Pacman is a lot bigger then people think...he actually weighed more then freakin oscar de la hoya when they fought!!!LOL

Pacman I expect will have a slight advantage in size and strength not that it means anything in mayweather but it its still an intangible to have

next thing is that pacman is a southpaw

pacman is also very unorthodox in his fighting

pacman is also faster then marquez and combine that with his unorthdox fighting i expect him to land on mayweather

in addition...how do we know how mayweather is going to react when he gets hit by pacman? strange things happen to even the most gifted fighters when they are hit by big punchers...we know that pacman does posess enough power to hurt mayweather...

its still a very interesting matchup and pacman i think should even be encouraged..

how about this as well

what if it were marquez fighting pacman at 142 pounds? remember they fought at 130!! Marquez probably would have been knocked out if he had to face a naturally bigger pacman instead of their previous shrunken weights?

anyhow

lets all wait to see if pacman gets by cotto which i expect him to do even without serious training

 

Floyd's AS GOOD of a Counterpuncher @ WORST...More than Likely he's a BETTER Counterpuncher Though...Marquez was "Too Patient" For a REASON; He DIDN'T Want to Pay the Required Toll to Go For Broke...Marquez DIDN'T Quit, but Seemed to ACCEPT Defeat by the Midpoint or So....

Bottom Line, if Marquez was Able to Get Enough RESPECT from Pac to Somewhat COMPROMISE Pac's Aggression, REED can See Floyd Doing Likewise...



REED:mj:

 

Floyd's Gonna B THE BEST Defensive Fighter Pacquiao has EVER Faced, Dude...He's Also Got the Best FOOTWORK Pac will have Ever Experience in an Opponent...

Regardless how Anybody Scored the 2 Bouts, Marquez CLEARLY POCKETED Most of the 24 Rounds that he Shared w/Manny Pac...Floyd's MORE Skilled, BIGGER, FASTER, YOUNGER & STRONGER than Marquez...If Pac COULDN'T Decisively Beat Marquez, he has VERY LITTLE to NO Chance of Beating Floyd Mayweather...



REED:hammert:

 

I agree JMM was slow last night. Could have been from the weight gain could have been just being 36. But when has JMM ever been a fighter with great hand speed. I mean when he fought Manny did he have Zab Judah hand speed. NO! JMM has never been known for hand speed and he was still able to time and counter Manny which gave him trouble. Now I'm saying that PBF will have an easy time with Manny due to Manny's speed but Manny would have trouble with PBF's speed not to mention PBF would be the most complete fighter that Manny has ever fought on top of his speed. I'll Holla 5000

 

Styles make fights, though, Mister REED. You know as well as anyone that A struggling to beat B doesn't automatically mean that A loses to C.

JMM doesn't hit anywhere near hard enough to force Floyd to engage. That much was crystal clear from the first seconds of last night's fight. But he did land on Floyd with some flush shots from time to time. nothing major, of course, but he did land. This is despite him having a noticeable speed disadvantage.

Manny is unbelievably quick, both of hand and foot, and it appears that he is carrying his power up through the weights much better than JMM did last night. If JMM was able to land, then Manny will be able to land and these shots will have a noticably greater effect on Floyd, who clearly does NOT like the idea of being hit. Manny will have to eat plenty en route to getting through, but his power may be an equilizer. Maybe...

I'm still not completely sold on Manny at the higher weights. Cotto is by far and away a bigger test than Hatton and Oscar were. But if Manny comes through Cotto, IMHO still the best at 147 (at least of those who regularly campaign there), then he HAS to be, at worst, a very live dog in a fight vs Floyd.

MTF

 

Different weights and different Pacman though REED, and different styles.

Pacman is better suited to the higher weights with his freakish speed and power.

Marquez is a skilled, patient counterpuncher. He was up against another skilled, patient counterpuncher, but a bigger, faster, stronger, younger one with better defense :)

As I'm sure you know, and many others here, in the Morales era, I used to very much pick with my heart. These days I don't, I pick who I think is going to win the fight.

Believe me, I wanted Marquez to win badly ::

I have a keen dislike for Floyd, and I've become a real Gay Marquez fan, especially in his last few fights. It was obvious Floyd would win though. Marquez just didn't have the style/physical attributes to beat Floyd.

Pacman does.

Also, you mentioned Pacman's aggression. Thing is, he is not reckless like Hatton. He is intelligently aggressive, and unpredictable. He used to be far moe predictable, basically a very fast, powerful, 1-2 fighter.

Not any more. His head movement, footwork, and varying angles of the straight left, and incredible speed would work wonders against Floyd.

Is it a tough fight to call? Of course, I probably wouldn't bet on it unless there were some great odds on Pacman, but if the fight comes off, Pacman is my pick.

And although Floyd beat Marquez far more decisively, this was Marquez coming up in weight, to a weight Floyd didn't even bother to make.

Pacman beat both Oscar and Hatton far more decisively than Floyd did, and when HE was moving up in weight.

 

Great post, I totally agree.

This was like a sparring session for Floyd, Marquez just sat back and let the sparring unfold, Floyd was never under any kind of pressure, never forced to think or react in ways he wasn't comfortable with, or wasn't precalculated.

Pacman's sheer energy, speed and unpredictability brings a completely different dynamic to the table.

Honestly though, I expected this kind of knee jerk reaction. Even though he was a 5/1 favourite, and 9 out of 10 people here picked him, everyone's like "wowz, he beat teh featherweight by easy decision!".

This was to be expected. Marquez didn't have the size or physical attributes or speed to beat Floyd. Floyd should have stopped him, even though I knew he wouldn't.

 

All this Pac vs. Mayweather talk is null and void..COTTO is going to stop Pacquiao inside of 8 rounds.....

It will be Mayweather vs. Cotto or Mayweather vs. Mosley in 2010....

 

You don't think it was before then?

Like when he agreed to fight Mayweather, at whatever weight he wanted.

Marquez is in the same boat as Mosley...they're at the stage where they just want to get paid.

And this way worked out nicely for everyone involved...Mayweather got a routine payday in his return, Marquez lasted the distance and preserved at least one more payday...and the sportsbooks get to keep all that money bet on the under.

Everybody wins. :bears:

 

I actually think Marquez prepared for this fight..wanted to win...thought he had a good gameplan...but as soon as the bell rang for round 1...he finally saw how much bigger Mayweather was...and all the piss left his system...

 

You mean after he saw how much bigger Floyd was after a day of replenishing from coming all the way down to 146?

 

yes...

 

So he didn't think that was a possibility after, I don't know, Castillo-Corrales II?

 

He knew Mayweather would replenish and be bigger..but probably not as big as he was on fight night...it look like they were 2-3 division difference between them......